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VDesai
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3/25/2007  12:52 PM
Who gives a crap? Everyone, including his mother, is unhappy with Francis.
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3/25/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Who gives a crap? Everyone, including his mother, is unhappy with Francis.

His grandma seems to like his game.
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3/25/2007  1:18 PM
Posted by nixluva:


It's decisions like this that make you shake your head at Isiah. He still has a lot to learn about running a team. His 1st big lesson should be to stop repeating big mistakes and stick to what he does best, FINDING young talent and motivating teams.


Why is it that a hallmark of this team (and of his 3 year project, Marbury) has been listless, dispassionate play without urgency (to start the 1st and 3rd quarters, and for major stretches of a season, including now) yet people like yourself insist Isiah is a great motivator?

I think the motivation of this team, and key players on it, has SUCKED since he's been here. I find it one of his greatest failings.

They don't get up for home games, they don't get up for big games, they don't get up for bad teams, they don't get up for must wins, they can't surmount boos, afternoon games, Holidays, injuries, poor chemistry, mean coaches, player's coaches, and on and on. Every off-season we are told the league should look out, and fans will be surprised, because "this is the year" so and so will be motivated with so much to prove and them they come out flaccid and flop.

The motivation of this team under Isiah has been LOUSEY!!!

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 03-25-2007 1:24 PM]
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3/25/2007  1:30 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:


It's decisions like this that make you shake your head at Isiah. He still has a lot to learn about running a team. His 1st big lesson should be to stop repeating big mistakes and stick to what he does best, FINDING young talent and motivating teams.


Why is it that a hallmark of this team (and of his 3 year project, Marbury) has been listless, dispassionate play without urgency (to start the 1st and 3rd quarters, and for major stretches of a season, including now) yet people like yourself insist Isiah is a great motivator?

I think the motivation of this team, and key players on it, has SUCKED since he's been here. I find it one of his greatest failings.

I am fair in my criticism. Knicks have a long history of starting games not so well and 3rd quarters. I remember Riley saying he wished he could understand what the problem is and that goes back to 93. I remember many games in Knicks history where 20 points leads in the first half only to have to watch tight games in the 4th. Riley said this team just like to do things the hard way and the tradition continues. The only problem is that the Knicks don't have a Ewing to pull their asses out the fire. Has been a plaguing problem for many years with different owners, gms, coaches and players. I wish I could take credit for that facto but I remember Clyde saying that under Chaney's team. Maybe it has something to do with MSG.
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3/25/2007  1:31 PM
I finally figured it out.

Francis was bought in to make Marbury look good.

It worked.
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3/25/2007  1:36 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:


It's decisions like this that make you shake your head at Isiah. He still has a lot to learn about running a team. His 1st big lesson should be to stop repeating big mistakes and stick to what he does best, FINDING young talent and motivating teams.


Why is it that a hallmark of this team (and of his 3 year project, Marbury) has been listless, dispassionate play without urgency (to start the 1st and 3rd quarters, and for major stretches of a season, including now) yet people like yourself insist Isiah is a great motivator?

I think the motivation of this team, and key players on it, has SUCKED since he's been here. I find it one of his greatest failings.

They don't get up for home games, they don't get up for big games, they don't get up for bad teams, they don't get up for must wins, they can't surmount boos, afternoon games, Holidays, injuries, poor chemistry, mean coaches, player's coaches, and on and on. Every off-season we are told the league should look out, and fans will be surprised, because "this is the year" so and so will be motivated with so much to prove and them they come out flaccid and flop.

The motivation of this team under Isiah has been LOUSEY!!!

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 03-25-2007 1:24 PM]

I don't disagree, but does Isiah get credited for halftime adjustments being that they usually make furious comebacks?
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3/25/2007  1:38 PM
Who cares if Francis is unhappy with his minutes what he should care about is the fans are unhappy with him.
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3/25/2007  1:39 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:


It's decisions like this that make you shake your head at Isiah. He still has a lot to learn about running a team. His 1st big lesson should be to stop repeating big mistakes and stick to what he does best, FINDING young talent and motivating teams.


Why is it that a hallmark of this team (and of his 3 year project, Marbury) has been listless, dispassionate play without urgency (to start the 1st and 3rd quarters, and for major stretches of a season, including now) yet people like yourself insist Isiah is a great motivator?

I think the motivation of this team, and key players on it, has SUCKED since he's been here. I find it one of his greatest failings.

I am fair in my criticism. Knicks have a long history of starting games not so well and 3rd quarters. I remember Riley saying he wished he could understand what the problem is and that goes back to 93. I remember many games in Knicks history where 20 points leads in the first half only to have to watch tight games in the 4th. Riley said this team just like to do things the hard way and the tradition continues. The only problem is that the Knicks don't have a Ewing to pull their asses out the fire. Has been a plaguing problem for many years with different owners, gms, coaches and players. I wish I could take credit for that facto but I remember Clyde saying that under Chaney's team. Maybe it has something to do with MSG.


That may all be true, but he's taken us to new lows. After all, we had a franchise worst January '05 followed by a franchise worst season. These include the departures of not one but TWO HOF coaches, constant whining and bickering from players, and a failure to play .500 ball for any extended period of time from a team constantly predicted to "threaten"

So I ask, what motivation?
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3/25/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:


It's decisions like this that make you shake your head at Isiah. He still has a lot to learn about running a team. His 1st big lesson should be to stop repeating big mistakes and stick to what he does best, FINDING young talent and motivating teams.


Why is it that a hallmark of this team (and of his 3 year project, Marbury) has been listless, dispassionate play without urgency (to start the 1st and 3rd quarters, and for major stretches of a season, including now) yet people like yourself insist Isiah is a great motivator?

I think the motivation of this team, and key players on it, has SUCKED since he's been here. I find it one of his greatest failings.

They don't get up for home games, they don't get up for big games, they don't get up for bad teams, they don't get up for must wins, they can't surmount boos, afternoon games, Holidays, injuries, poor chemistry, mean coaches, player's coaches, and on and on. Every off-season we are told the league should look out, and fans will be surprised, because "this is the year" so and so will be motivated with so much to prove and them they come out flaccid and flop.

The motivation of this team under Isiah has been LOUSEY!!!

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 03-25-2007 1:24 PM]

I don't disagree, but does Isiah get credited for halftime adjustments being that they usually make furious comebacks?


It's like crediting a car who's engine constantly sputters and breaks down for some occasionally fine acceleration.
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3/25/2007  1:46 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:


It's decisions like this that make you shake your head at Isiah. He still has a lot to learn about running a team. His 1st big lesson should be to stop repeating big mistakes and stick to what he does best, FINDING young talent and motivating teams.


Why is it that a hallmark of this team (and of his 3 year project, Marbury) has been listless, dispassionate play without urgency (to start the 1st and 3rd quarters, and for major stretches of a season, including now) yet people like yourself insist Isiah is a great motivator?

I think the motivation of this team, and key players on it, has SUCKED since he's been here. I find it one of his greatest failings.

I am fair in my criticism. Knicks have a long history of starting games not so well and 3rd quarters. I remember Riley saying he wished he could understand what the problem is and that goes back to 93. I remember many games in Knicks history where 20 points leads in the first half only to have to watch tight games in the 4th. Riley said this team just like to do things the hard way and the tradition continues. The only problem is that the Knicks don't have a Ewing to pull their asses out the fire. Has been a plaguing problem for many years with different owners, gms, coaches and players. I wish I could take credit for that facto but I remember Clyde saying that under Chaney's team. Maybe it has something to do with MSG.


That may all be true, but he's taken us to new lows. After all, we had a franchise worst January '05 followed by a franchise worst season. These include the departures of not one but TWO HOF coaches, constant whining and bickering from players, and a failure to play .500 ball for any extended period of time from a team constantly predicted to "threaten"

So I ask, what motivation?

No disagreement here. I think Dolan has to be blame himself. Those guys were motivated for saving Thomas job and trying hard to make the playoffs. If truth be told I wonder if Isiah wouldn't have mind if Dolan didn't give him that extension until after the season. The same intensity is not there that was earlier in the sesaon. Curry looks content about Isiah getting that deal.
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3/25/2007  1:51 PM
it's pretty amusing to see how fans are totally on this "francis blows" kick. his behavior is not one of a "team" player but when has he ever been part of this team? isiah and dolan, during their touching oprah special last summer, basically said francis and rose were here b/c of lb. and then they fired lb. so yeah, francis definitely felt like he belonged. the nerve of that guy to not want to be a part of things here.

i wonder how marbury would've reacted if lb was the one who remained and he said "hey, i didn't bring him here." shoot, look at how marbury acted last year during the season. total disgrace.
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3/25/2007  2:18 PM
^^ Marbury had stretches of his best basketball ever last season. And I'm sure all this francis talk has to do with him opening his mouth and almost being bought-out when he is perfectly able to play.
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3/25/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's pretty amusing to see how fans are totally on this "francis blows" kick. his behavior is not one of a "team" player but when has he ever been part of this team? isiah and dolan, during their touching oprah special last summer, basically said francis and rose were here b/c of lb. and then they fired lb. so yeah, francis definitely felt like he belonged. the nerve of that guy to not want to be a part of things here.

i wonder how marbury would've reacted if lb was the one who remained and he said "hey, i didn't bring him here." shoot, look at how marbury acted last year during the season. total disgrace.

dj, we are talking about his ability to play team basketball, which should have nothing to do with whether he was made part of this team. It is not like he was never getting minutes and then we put him in the game asked him to play team ball. IT has always given this guy minutes and made him a captain. His inability to play team ball has nothing to do with IT and Dolan stating that he was LB's guy. The knicks realized that they were stuck with Francis and made every effort to make him part of the team. Francis just sucks at playing team basketball.
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3/25/2007  6:42 PM
deflection tactics.

last 5 games:

20-67 for 30 fg%
6-30 for 20 3fg%
11.6 ppg
5.8 asts
37 mins

the player?

marbury.
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3/25/2007  6:51 PM
The Larry Brown Curse continues.
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Posted by BasketballJones:

The Larry Brown Curse continues.

i agree. he really did a number on us. it will probably take 5-7 years before we can begin the rebuilding process. thank god dolan has faith in isiah. hopefully he got a 10 year extension.
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3/25/2007  7:33 PM
Argh!!!

I did read much of what you guys have said yet cuz ofthe sheer annoyence of francis comments!

If I was isiah I would suspend francis for the remainder of the season and sign someone to full his spot.

Francis wants to play 48 minutes and shoot whenever he wants? Let he join the And 1 circus.

Yo, I don't wanna see anothe marbury sucks thread unless its absolutely a good reason. Francis is a cancer!

Nuff said!!!
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3/25/2007  8:29 PM
Francis unhappy with his minutes? What a coincidence... I'm unhappy with his minutes too!
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3/25/2007  8:32 PM
Even if we could get away with trading him after he had those few good games--I doubt it--cant let him be a destructive loudmouth--hopefully he will have 1-2 more big games and then they cans hut him down figuratively and literally.
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