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nixluva
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3/24/2007  11:53 AM
It's not the bench guys that i'm speaking of. Without Q, Jamal and Lee, who are MAJOR contributors to this team and guys who are at the top of this team statistically, we had to rely on Steph increasing his output tremendously. He was able to do that for a long while, but since we haven't been able to get Q and Lee back, that put more of a strain on Steph, who was already hurting to begin with. If not for the injury to Jamal, Q and Lee, there woud've been those guys there to take some of the slack up and thus Steph woudn't have to carry such a large portion of the load.

You guys are trying to make it seem like the extra guys are of the same caliber as the guys we're missing who have been starting or logging the most minutes all year. Right now with Steph wearing down a bit, it's like we've been playing without him, as well as the other guys. That can't happen. Without those guys we NEED Steph to play at a higher level. Lately he hasn't been able to do that and thus we've been scoring WELL below our season avg.

Stop trying to make this out to be just another excuse, cuz it's not. Steph is still our best player and if he can't go, then we'd better have someone else who can step up and fill the void. Well right now we DON'T have that player. No Jamal, No Lee, No Q! As much as you guys like to diss Steph, he's still a guy that does a lot things for this team. I'm hopeful that he can recharge his batteries just enough to help us beat Orl and Cleve at home next week. That may be enough to keep us close and then in April we have a few winnable games and 2 shots at NJ.
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3/24/2007  11:57 AM
Lebron James just played an entire summer of basketball fighting for a championship. Runs around doing endorsements everywhere. Comes into an NBA season and carries his team on his back for an entire season playing 41 minutes a game somehow finds a way to bring energy every night.

Channing Frye, Jared Jeffries, Nate Robinson, Renaldo Balkman, Eddie Curry, Steve Francis all who are 30 and under and have played hundreds less minutes than Lebron somehow are tired and breaking down.

I said over the summer that I would wait until Nixluva gave me the go ahead on when it was okay to start questioning the team. It's obviously too early. I know that next year the season gets shorter, Marbs gets younger and the young guys will play less than the 20 minutes a game they are playing this year. So I will wait until then to expect them to give effort for a full season.

You have Orlando coming into town on Monday. It's a must win for us. My outdated disciplinarian ways would say that I dont' care about the injuries on Monday you have to bring it. But obviously I am mistaken and should just hope that the team can make it through the game without tiring themselves out. I have never seen a fan make more excuses for anything in my life.
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3/24/2007  12:00 PM
nixluva shows complete faith and absolutely no faith in the Knicks at the same time.

It's fascinating to watch.
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3/24/2007  12:00 PM
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3/24/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It's not the bench guys that i'm speaking of. Without Q, Jamal and Lee, who are MAJOR contributors to this team and guys who are at the top of this team statistically, we had to rely on Steph increasing his output tremendously. He was able to do that for a long while, but since we haven't been able to get Q and Lee back, that put more of a strain on Steph, who was already hurting to begin with. If not for the injury to Jamal, Q and Lee, there woud've been those guys there to take some of the slack up and thus Steph woudn't have to carry such a large portion of the load.

You guys are trying to make it seem like the extra guys are of the same caliber as the guys we're missing who have been starting or logging the most minutes all year. Right now with Steph wearing down a bit, it's like we've been playing without him, as well as the other guys. That can't happen. Without those guys we NEED Steph to play at a higher level. Lately he hasn't been able to do that and thus we've been scoring WELL below our season avg.

Stop trying to make this out to be just another excuse, cuz it's not. Steph is still our best player and if he can't go, then we'd better have someone else who can step up and fill the void. Well right now we DON'T have that player. No Jamal, No Lee, No Q! As much as you guys like to diss Steph, he's still a guy that does a lot things for this team. I'm hopeful that he can recharge his batteries just enough to help us beat Orl and Cleve at home next week. That may be enough to keep us close and then in April we have a few winnable games and 2 shots at NJ.

Nixluva what happens next year when the injury bug happens again? Every year you have injuries, what do we do at that point?

Again for me it's not about winning and losing games. It's about getting outhustled and outworked by a team that is playing for nothing on your home court when they are missing their star and you still have your top two players. Plus a past all star. We have 3 all-star caliber players why are we coming out flat and getting beat by teams like Portland? I could have sworn you tried to sell us on how important our depth is? Forget winning the games, how about an all out effort from more than one guy each night? How about an effort from our franchise guy more than once every 5 games.

We have a flawed core. Isiah knows this and in the coming offseasons he will tear a lot of it up again through buy outs etc and we will be sold once again that it's all part of a plan. Even with all our guys we were on pace to win 35-38 games nothing has changed because we hit a rough patch, it's just that our flaws are easier for more people to see. ON our team we don't have one player that players both sides of the ball and can make up for the loss of someone else. This is our problem. When Lee and Q come back we will be better and in a better position to camoflauge the same flaws that have not changed since last year. And will not change until we address our issues without making excuses.
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3/24/2007  12:04 PM
Nix, this is an excercise in perspective.

Now let me preface this by saying guys Nate, Balkman, and Lee are excellent energy players, and what I am about to say in no way is meant to discount their contributions.

It's an exercise in perspective. You put a normal looking chick next to an ugly chick, the normal looking chick is hot. You put Earl Boykins next to Starks, Starks looks like a giant. You put guys like Lee, Nate and Balkman on a team that doesn't play with a lot of heart and energy, it looks like they are playing with twice the energy.

The sour truth is that Marbury has been playing in pain at some point continually for the past two years. Richardson has evolved into a player you can not count on as a starter and should probably be in a position where you can not count on what he gives you but it is there if you need it.

I am thoroughly convinced that Francis is not playing for this team but is playing for a way off this team. Why else would he be arguing with the "franchise center" about getting the ball? Why else would we be talking buyout because of his knees one minutes then putting up great numbers and DUNKING the next?

The truth is if we are looking to win now, we need at the very least a SF and a little depth and that would get us one of the bottom 2 or 3(meaning 6, 7, 8)seeds in the playoffs and maybe a first round upset depending on who we play.

Personally we need either a PG or a SG or both(depending if you hand one of those jobs to Jamal-who IMO is either out starting PG or sixth man. He can not be given the leash to score and shoot when he wants), and a starting SF(Balkman isn't there yet and may be a year or two away-but he is upgradeable). Lee should be our starting PF, Curry should start at center.
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3/24/2007  12:13 PM
I am willing to bet that Q because of his back will miss 20-30 games again next year. There is a good chance that during those stretches of missed games that one or two other players will be injured as well. I understand that we will struggle to win those games. I also NOW UNDERSTAND that we will struggle to give an effort as well.
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3/24/2007  12:15 PM
Seasons don't count unless you're 100% healthy throughout.

Since this season doesn't count because of injuries, does that mean we're still at year 1?


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3/24/2007  12:16 PM
AGAIN you guys just don't get it. This isn't some team that's got it all figured out and can run on auto pilot without it's best players. We're trying to get to that point, but you all know that this team isn't at that level yet. Steph was on a roll and was putting up inflated #'s, but in the last few games his shooting % has dipped and he's clearly laboring out there. I'd advise you all to go look at his game logs and check his production and minutes. The guy have been keeping us afloat for a while, but he needs help and the guys we have left are not our most dependable guys. That was Q, Lee and Jamal. Which is why those guys played major minutes for this team. In fact the most minutes of any players on this team.

You guys clearly aren't getting any of this. Have your fun with this now, but it's just convenient that you get to blast this team for losing when they're not anywhere near full strength. Indy went into an 10+ game skid with their injuries and they're supposed to be a much better team than us. It can happen to any team. NJ, MIA. But it's not supposed to happen to the Knicks. I'm just hoping they can pull it together and stop the bleeding. We've got some winnable games coming up and hopefully they'll get a few of them and get back on track.
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3/24/2007  12:16 PM
Everything has it's reason.
IT cannot bring in any dedicated and hard working player because in his lite all the booms that IT assembled will shine like black eye.
Lee is a good example. When he is on the flour anybody can see what our "main" guys are all about - less effort more talking... Imagin he will start - what a disgrase to watch others half-effort...
All they want - easy life and money for nothing. And I can understand this but I will not pay a penny for this. There are enough fools without me anyway...
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3/24/2007  12:22 PM
Somehow, even with all of us delusional haters warning nixluva since the offseason that he should anticipate:

injuries.

Marbury struggling to execute an uptempo offense, or feeding the post, and physically breaking down.

Poor discipline and effort team-wide under adversity.

Marbury and Francis having trouble to mesh their games.

Frye and Curry being a poor defensive combination.

Etc, etc, this all catches him entirely by surprise and he still can't believe any of us would think the way we do.

What's wrong with us?
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3/24/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by nixluva:

AGAIN you guys just don't get it. This isn't some team that's got it all figured out and can run on auto pilot without it's best players. We're trying to get to that point, but you all know that this team isn't at that level yet. Steph was on a roll and was putting up inflated #'s, but in the last few games his shooting % has dipped and he's clearly laboring out there. I'd advise you all to go look at his game logs and check his production and minutes. The guy have been keeping us afloat for a while, but he needs help and the guys we have left are not our most dependable guys. That was Q, Lee and Jamal. Which is why those guys played major minutes for this team. In fact the most minutes of any players on this team.

You guys clearly aren't getting any of this. Have your fun with this now, but it's just convenient that you get to blast this team for losing when they're not anywhere near full strength. Indy went into an 10+ game skid with their injuries and they're supposed to be a much better team than us. It can happen to any team. NJ, MIA. But it's not supposed to happen to the Knicks. I'm just hoping they can pull it together and stop the bleeding. We've got some winnable games coming up and hopefully they'll get a few of them and get back on track.

If it's not figured out, Isiah may not be the guy to figure out. I posted these in another thread but they apply to this thread too.


Pacers players continued to voice support for Thomas.
Jermaine O'Neal, then a free agent, said before he re-signed with the team last month he would not play for anybody but Thomas with the Pacers.

The biggest criticism of Thomas was his inconsistent rotations. While most players preferred a set role, Thomas made his decisions on his own feelings for a particular game and team matchups.

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2003/08/28/Sports/Pacers.Fire.Coach.Isiah.Thomas.After.Last.Seasons.Collapse-454129.shtml

Thomas was let go, various sources say, because Bird sensed no urgency from him or his coaching staff to make sure last year's embarrassing first-round playoff choke to the Celtics wouldn't happen again.
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3/24/2007  12:36 PM
I fail to see how that's really relevant. For one thing, you can't fix a bone bruise thru coaching. If Lee doesn't hurt his leg and if Jamal doesn't crack an ankle bone, I believe we would've won just enough to be a solid playoff team.

It's obvious that Isiah is still thinking about this teams future by the move he just made. I expect that these players will work hard in the offseason on the things he instructs them to do. No matter how this season turns out, i'm excited about the future of this team. Overall I don't think we have any quitters on this squad. Guys like Frye, Nate, Balkman & Lee aren't like that. Just because you lose doesn't mean you aren't trying. In our case we have too many of our better skilled players either out of worn out, DUE TO THE GRIND AND LACK OF HELP FROM INJURY TO KEY PLAYERS. Once again this is not a lack of desire or effort. Since the Brawl we've been playing short handed in more games than not. Eventually that takes it's toll.

Let me say this. This team will most likely get STRONGER next year, not weaker. We'll likely add some additional help, as we've already begun to do. We'll also cut loose any slackers or underperforming guys that can't help us. Of course i'm hopeful that we'll continue to improve from within as well. It would be nice if we could get enough solid Guard play, so that Steph does't have to play so may minutes again for the rest of his career. If we can do that I believe he'll remain effective much longer and be stronger at the end of games. By the way this season isn't over yet. We still have a chance to salvage it. So let's hope that still happens.
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3/24/2007  12:44 PM
nixluva, are you telling me when we made our season predictions, and you came up with something like 47-50 wins, you did so without anticipating injuries and Marbury wearing down?

Even though we all warned you to anticipate such things and that they are enough to derail a fragile team like ours?
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3/24/2007  1:33 PM
The injuries definitely are playing a part. I do not whole heartedly support a SUNNY outlook, but no one thought that JC or Lee would be out for 10-25 games collectively. Q, well, everyone here should factor 25 games in. That's what makes the KT for Q and Nate deal not a good one. Esp. when Isiah knew that he was taking on an inunsured back.

Q should be our 6th man next year with the purpose of his shooting off the bench and to preserve his health to a larger extent.

I think the only real keepers on this team are Jamal, Balkman, Lee and Eddy. If you build around these players (Balkman is a bench player), depending on where you play Jamal, likely at the 1, which gives us an enormous size advantage, we need a 2 and a 3. David is a tweener but he learns towards PF not SF because he lacks the offensive skill set. David needs to become way more bruising and he has to block shots. I think he can do that.

I think if Marbury is on this team, which I am sure he will be, he should be the starting 2 with JC at the 1. Marbury has been all too content camping out at the 3pt line of late. I am unsure if it has to do with Francis, but regardless, Marbury has become a spot up shooter, something he never was, rather than a penetrate and kick guy. Well, there's no one to kick to but then again, no one is driving either.

Something to think about is:

- what can we get for Malik, Frye and Nate? I think Rashard Lewis is a possibility, but he is not a defensive SF. however, he is an accurate 3pt shooter. he is not great as a go-to guy, but we do have Crawford which NO ONE can question in the later stages of games.

- are we going to take a specialist in the draft? like a 3pt shooter? are we going to try to trade up using our assets like Frye or Nate?

- are we going to go balls out and go for JO? that requires taking on Tinsley likely. it also requires giving up lee. he is one of the best defensive minded PF's in the league and an elite shotblocker.

- we are going to waive Francis. buy him out. whatever. he wont be a Knick next year. do we use the MLE on a vet PG? do we use the MLE on a defensive role player like a Brian Skinner? do we not use the MLE period. Get over Mardy people. He is not good enough, borderline D league.

I agree with the normal girl and ugly girl analogy.

Nate next to Francis...Nate's hot.
Balkman over Jeffries...Balk's hot.

Alot of people say we have depth. We ahave depth in the amount of role players. but nate or balkman are not starters in this league.

Funny though, Eddy and Marbury are supposed to be "the best players" on this team. Regretfully, I disagree. I think the guys that are missing may be the GUYS. Seemingly, Jamal, Q and Lee can play with anyone on this team...evidently, Steph and Eddy cannot. Steph and Eddy really cannot play without 2 or all 3 of these guys.
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3/24/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

The injuries definitely are playing a part. I do not whole heartedly support a SUNNY outlook, but no one thought that JC or Lee would be out for 10-25 games collectively. Q, well, everyone here should factor 25 games in. That's what makes the KT for Q and Nate deal not a good one. Esp. when Isiah knew that he was taking on an inunsured back.

Q should be our 6th man next year with the purpose of his shooting off the bench and to preserve his health to a larger extent.

I think the only real keepers on this team are Jamal, Balkman, Lee and Eddy. If you build around these players (Balkman is a bench player), depending on where you play Jamal, likely at the 1, which gives us an enormous size advantage, we need a 2 and a 3. David is a tweener but he learns towards PF not SF because he lacks the offensive skill set. David needs to become way more bruising and he has to block shots. I think he can do that.

I think if Marbury is on this team, which I am sure he will be, he should be the starting 2 with JC at the 1. Marbury has been all too content camping out at the 3pt line of late. I am unsure if it has to do with Francis, but regardless, Marbury has become a spot up shooter, something he never was, rather than a penetrate and kick guy. Well, there's no one to kick to but then again, no one is driving either.

Something to think about is:

- what can we get for Malik, Frye and Nate? I think Rashard Lewis is a possibility, but he is not a defensive SF. however, he is an accurate 3pt shooter. he is not great as a go-to guy, but we do have Crawford which NO ONE can question in the later stages of games.

- are we going to take a specialist in the draft? like a 3pt shooter? are we going to try to trade up using our assets like Frye or Nate?

- are we going to go balls out and go for JO? that requires taking on Tinsley likely. it also requires giving up lee. he is one of the best defensive minded PF's in the league and an elite shotblocker.

- we are going to waive Francis. buy him out. whatever. he wont be a Knick next year. do we use the MLE on a vet PG? do we use the MLE on a defensive role player like a Brian Skinner? do we not use the MLE period. Get over Mardy people. He is not good enough, borderline D league.

I agree with the normal girl and ugly girl analogy.

Nate next to Francis...Nate's hot.
Balkman over Jeffries...Balk's hot.

Alot of people say we have depth. We ahave depth in the amount of role players. but nate or balkman are not starters in this league.

Funny though, Eddy and Marbury are supposed to be "the best players" on this team. Regretfully, I disagree. I think the guys that are missing may be the GUYS. Seemingly, Jamal, Q and Lee can play with anyone on this team...evidently, Steph and Eddy cannot. Steph and Eddy really cannot play without 2 or all 3 of these guys.


Queenie this team doesn't need to be paying Rashard Lewis Larry Hughes type Money(that's what he wants maybe more). In 2yrs the cap will be a priority and if you sign Rashard you're kissing that approach out of the window. A trade like that will also involve giving up another draft pick in the process, you better believe it. Seattle would just sign him outright and pass on such a deal.
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3/24/2007  2:13 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

The injuries definitely are playing a part. I do not whole heartedly support a SUNNY outlook, but no one thought that JC or Lee would be out for 10-25 games collectively. Q, well, everyone here should factor 25 games in. That's what makes the KT for Q and Nate deal not a good one. Esp. when Isiah knew that he was taking on an inunsured back.

Q should be our 6th man next year with the purpose of his shooting off the bench and to preserve his health to a larger extent.

I think the only real keepers on this team are Jamal, Balkman, Lee and Eddy. If you build around these players (Balkman is a bench player), depending on where you play Jamal, likely at the 1, which gives us an enormous size advantage, we need a 2 and a 3. David is a tweener but he learns towards PF not SF because he lacks the offensive skill set. David needs to become way more bruising and he has to block shots. I think he can do that.

I think if Marbury is on this team, which I am sure he will be, he should be the starting 2 with JC at the 1. Marbury has been all too content camping out at the 3pt line of late. I am unsure if it has to do with Francis, but regardless, Marbury has become a spot up shooter, something he never was, rather than a penetrate and kick guy. Well, there's no one to kick to but then again, no one is driving either.

Something to think about is:

- what can we get for Malik, Frye and Nate? I think Rashard Lewis is a possibility, but he is not a defensive SF. however, he is an accurate 3pt shooter. he is not great as a go-to guy, but we do have Crawford which NO ONE can question in the later stages of games.

- are we going to take a specialist in the draft? like a 3pt shooter? are we going to try to trade up using our assets like Frye or Nate?

- are we going to go balls out and go for JO? that requires taking on Tinsley likely. it also requires giving up lee. he is one of the best defensive minded PF's in the league and an elite shotblocker.

- we are going to waive Francis. buy him out. whatever. he wont be a Knick next year. do we use the MLE on a vet PG? do we use the MLE on a defensive role player like a Brian Skinner? do we not use the MLE period. Get over Mardy people. He is not good enough, borderline D league.

I agree with the normal girl and ugly girl analogy.

Nate next to Francis...Nate's hot.
Balkman over Jeffries...Balk's hot.

Alot of people say we have depth. We ahave depth in the amount of role players. but nate or balkman are not starters in this league.

Funny though, Eddy and Marbury are supposed to be "the best players" on this team. Regretfully, I disagree. I think the guys that are missing may be the GUYS. Seemingly, Jamal, Q and Lee can play with anyone on this team...evidently, Steph and Eddy cannot. Steph and Eddy really cannot play without 2 or all 3 of these guys.



I think this is a largely fair analysis, with worrisome implications.

Working with your judgments we see JC, Q, Lee and Balk our our best players/keepers, yet only 2 of them are starters, both of which are tweeners still trying to figure out what position they fit.

Marbury and Eddy are supposed to be our best players, seeing as we gave up 4 1st round picks for them, and Marbury also is unsettled in any particular position and it's unclear if his game meshes with other guy's like Eddy and Francis.

So our franchise players aren't our best players and they don't compliment each other well. Two of our 4 "best" players are perrenial role players, and the other two were bench guys this year and are tweeners unsettled in any position. IOW, we don't have a single bonafied starter among our best players.

Another guy scheduled to be a best player, Francis, will probably be bought out. And the other guy, Marbury, in a just world, would follow suit.

Furthermore we straddle two plans simultaneously: let contracts expire for FA in 2010, or make an immediate cap killing move for Rashard or Jermaine.


How can anybody doubt Isiah's three year plan? Which, incidentially, expired 3 months ago...
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3/24/2007  2:57 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:


I agree with the normal girl and ugly girl analogy.

Nate next to Francis...Nate's hot.
Balkman over Jeffries...Balk's hot.

And after too much kool-aid, both of them look good.
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3/24/2007  3:47 PM
I would like to draft Marcus Williams. Marbury is shell of himself and Curry needs good guard play from atlease one of our Guards. People didn't believe Crawforad held so much of the leadership of this team. Lee does as well, I don't want to hear about Q, We win too many games with that guy sitting on a towel on the bench.
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3/24/2007  3:49 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

he is not great as a go-to guy, but we do have Crawford which NO ONE can question in the later stages of games.

Eddy and Marbury are supposed to the best players on this team. Regretfully, I disagree. I think the guys that are missing may be the guys. Seemingly, Jamal, Q and Lee can play with anyone on this team...evidently, Steph and Eddy cannot. Steph and Eddy really cannot play without 2 or all 3 of these guys.

I never had the chance to look at the "crunch time" numbers you posted on Jamal earlier. My intuition is that he's overrated. If you can, I'd like to take a look at those numbers.

I don't think you can infer that Jamal, Lee and Q are our "best players" from the stretch of games they have collectively missed. If you surround Wade with 4 members of a nursing home and they then win 1 of 5, it doesn't make Jones and Haslem 2 of the "best players" on that team. The only conclusion you can draw (from a very limited sample of games), is that the presence of all 3 together makes us a better team. Its hard even to say that 1 of them definitively has a positive impact. For instance, Lee and Q may have a considerable positive impact while Crawford may actually be a detriment, whose negative contribution is masked by the other 2. The rest of the year, with Lee and perhaps Q back, will be a better indication.
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