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McK1
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3/24/2007  8:25 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

I like channing frye, but his lapses in defense are basically killing us. Also, francis has no concept of TEAM defense as well.

What if we traded Frye (give up on the offensive experiment) and Francis (crawford and Nate more than make up for him) and send them to New Orleans for Chandler and Bobby Jackson?

New Orleans does this why
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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babyKnicks
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3/24/2007  8:25 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I like channing frye, but his lapses in defense are basically killing us. Also, francis has no concept of TEAM defense as well.

What if we traded Frye (give up on the offensive experiment) and Francis (crawford and Nate more than make up for him) and send them to New Orleans for Chandler and Bobby Jackson?

New Orleans does this why


Not sure.

[Edited by - babyknicks on 24-03-2007 8:26 PM]
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
BlueSeats
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3/24/2007  8:28 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I like channing frye, but his lapses in defense are basically killing us. Also, francis has no concept of TEAM defense as well.

What if we traded Frye (give up on the offensive experiment) and Francis (crawford and Nate more than make up for him) and send them to New Orleans for Chandler and Bobby Jackson?

New Orleans does this why


Good seeing you. How goes the Navy?

McK1
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3/24/2007  8:34 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I like channing frye, but his lapses in defense are basically killing us. Also, francis has no concept of TEAM defense as well.

What if we traded Frye (give up on the offensive experiment) and Francis (crawford and Nate more than make up for him) and send them to New Orleans for Chandler and Bobby Jackson?

New Orleans does this why


Good seeing you. How goes the Navy?

good 2 be back. I'm out of the service. administratitevly seperated under honorable conditions. experienced some medical problems.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
djsunyc
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3/24/2007  9:37 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I like channing frye, but his lapses in defense are basically killing us. Also, francis has no concept of TEAM defense as well.

What if we traded Frye (give up on the offensive experiment) and Francis (crawford and Nate more than make up for him) and send them to New Orleans for Chandler and Bobby Jackson?

New Orleans does this why


Good seeing you. How goes the Navy?

good 2 be back. I'm out of the service. administratitevly seperated under honorable conditions. experienced some medical problems.

hope everythings ok. welcome back. and let's go rapto...i mean knicks
playa2
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3/24/2007  11:04 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by playa2:

For some reason I feel the player (some) don't want to play here , or they don't like playing with Marbury.

We all thought the chemistry issue was because of LB,Steph is still here and he claims the team is not on the same page.


We haven't been all on the same page, one game, yet, Marbury said. We're making a conscious effort of getting Eddy the ball right now and we're doing that."





[Edited by - playa2 on 24-03-2007 20:06]

Got a link to that article?


Cavaliers 90, Knicks 68
Knicks Hit New Low and May Go Further
By HOWARD BECK

CLEVELAND, March 23 -- A look of disgust crossed Isiah Thomas's face, although it was hard to pinpoint when it became permanent. The way things are going for the Knicks, the expression might not leave Thomas's face until sometime in August.

For the second consecutive night, the Knicks looked thoroughly disjointed from start to finish. The result was their most anemic offensive performance of the year and a 90-68 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers on Friday night.

The point total was their lowest of the season and ranked as the 10th-lowest in franchise history, but that was hardly their greatest concern. Two weeks ago, the Knicks (30-39) appeared promising enough to inspire playoff dreams and earn a contract extension for Thomas. They have lost 5 of 6 games since then and are now a season-high nine games below .500.

They have not cracked the 90-point barrier in four straight games. Thomas repeatedly cited fatigue and injuries Friday, but most of his players shunned those explanations.

We've won when guys have been out,” Steve Francis said. Injuries can't be an excuse.

The Knicks remain in the playoff race, but fell a game and a half behind Orlando and Indiana for the final spots in the Eastern Conference.

The Cavaliers played an entirely unimpressive game themselves but improved to 42-27 as LeBron James finished with 21 points and 10 assists.

The Knicks lost despite a resurgent performance by Eddy Curry, who had 27 points and 9 rebounds to break out of a monthlong slump. But Curry also missed 7 of 16 free throws and committed 6 of the Knicks 22 turnovers.

Curry scored more than the Knicks other four starters combined, and Thomas showed little patience with his lineup. When the Cavaliers opened the second half with an 11-2 burst and took a 17-point lead, Thomas benched everyone but Curry.

You really know it's going bad when they bring a whole new cast in, Curry said. But I think it was deserved. The unit we had out there, it wasn't clicking, for whatever reason.

No amount of prodding, substituting or fretting by Thomas could right the Knicks. They never got the lead down to single digits.

Francis and Stephon Marbury were ineffective for the second consecutive night, combining for 13 points and 4 assists. Francis played only 21 minutes, 4 in the second half, and seemed displeased with the truncated role.

Asked what has become of his game recently, Francis said: Not playing. Not being on the court is tough. That's the toughest thing for me. I'm just doing what I can do.

Marbury suggested that the Knicks are finding it tough to get Curry going again while still keeping everyone else in rhythm.

"We haven't been all on the same page, one game, yet, Marbury said. We're making a conscious effort of getting Eddy the ball right now and we're doing that."

Regardless of the question, Thomas kept citing injuries. The Knicks have been without Jamal Crawford, Quentin Richardson and David Lee for most of the month.

Some of the things that have occurred to us injury-wise I think it's starting to take its toll a little bit, said Thomas, who nevertheless insisted, There's fight in my team.

The Knicks had nine turnovers in the first quarter, four by Curry. Francis caused a 24-second violation on the Knicks first possession of the game when he barely gave chase to a ball that was slapped into the backcourt. The ball-handling and decision making did not improve over the course of the evening. Jerome James threw a pass behind Marbury and out of bounds late in the third quarter. In the fourth quarter, Nate Robinson overdribbled, resulting in a 24-second violation.

It's not fluid, Francis said of the offense. It's not like somebody's purposely trying to destroy it or detonate the offense. It's more of concentration and being at a certain spot at a certain time.


JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
arkrud
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3/24/2007  11:12 PM
First thing - fire IT.
Second - buy out Steve and steph
Third - trade Eddy
Forth - get read of Jeffries and Big Snuck
Then this thing can fix itself
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
nyk4ever
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3/25/2007  12:50 AM
Posted by McK1:


good 2 be back. I'm out of the service. administratitevly seperated under honorable conditions. experienced some medical problems.

Great to see you back man, I hope everything goes well/is well with you bro.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
nixluva
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3/25/2007  2:04 AM
Posted by arkrud:

First thing - fire IT.
Second - buy out Steve and steph
Third - trade Eddy
Forth - get read of Jeffries and Big Snuck
Then this thing can fix itself

I think we have a tendency to overreact to anything bad that happens to this team. We still have some players on this team that can be part of the future here. We have to refine the team given the new direction that Isiah has been moving in. Clearly that calls for adding a SF who can shoot from the outside and hopefully is also capable of defending other SF's. I'm guessing that he'll use our draft pick to find a SF. I don't know if Collins will develop into a more dependable PG and be more of a threat offensively, so i'd expect that Isiah will also look to see what he can do about finding a backup PG. Someone should be available for the MLE.

Without any moves we have a group that looks like this:

C = Curry/Morris (Frye)
PF = Lee/Frye/Jared
SF = Q/Balkman/ ?
SG = Jamal/Nate
PG = Steph/Collins

This lineup is full of ? marks. We don't know how certain players will develop. We can easily see that this group isn't good enough to make this team significantly better next year. Just looking at the group, i'd like to replace Q with someone who is more dynamic and prototypical at SF. I'd also love to have a better option at SG. Someone who is better defensively than Jamal. It's not practical to think that both things will happen, so i'd be satisfied with a better option at SF. Q's back problems are a bigger problem than Jamal's poor D. Rashard Lewis is the most popular option right now. The pick up of Morris may allow us to move Frye in a deal to hopefully land Lewis, but who know if Seattle will want what we have to offer.
playa2
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3/25/2007  10:04 AM
The vets are was killing this team, why are they playing the way they are lately.

Veteran leadership controls the locker room and not too many of those guys are used to winning.

I the chicago bulls can let go of curry,brand, chandler and still pick up talent to contend in the playoffs. Why do the knicks have to keep all of the young talent.

Only player I would keep is Balkman and Lee, but if Lee brings back the player we need I send him packing too.

The locker room has to be toxic by now with Q Rich, Francis,Curry, Marbury talking smack about what they should do during games.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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