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I like Channing but let's be honest, coming into the league as a 6'11" 235 lb. 4-year player out of a decent program in Arizona, I was expecting a much better, much more seasoned all-around NBA-ready big man than what we actually got. He didn't come into the league as a freshman or H.S. player, so I'm thinking that at this point there's a good chance that if he doesn't possess at least some of those instincts & skills at this point (rebounding, shotblocking, overall toughness, etc...) he might never develop them. He's got one of the prettiest jumpers for a big man out there, true, but I fear he'll never be the rebounder/defender we need next to Curry moving forward. I'm sorry but I want a hell of a lot more outta my PF than just a guy who shoots 20 footers. I know most of you feel the same way. His long-range jumpers look so sweet going down when he's on, as he was yesterday against the Raptors, but it's apparent to me that the whole package just isn't there with this guy. I say we deal him now while he still has some decent value. First off, dealing Channing would open up more time for Lee to be the rock at PF next season which is very important to this team taking the next step. Lee has shown enough to convince me that he's 10-15 pounds of muscle and a consistant 10-15 foot jumper away from being an all-star PF and with his work ethic (look at the improvments he made coming into this season especially at the FT line) there's no doubt in my mind that that won't happen. This is one of the deepest upcoming drafts in recent memory. I want draft picks. If we acquired a couple of more picks we can really transform this roster into a much more balanced team by filling some holes. Let's be honest, we're kidding ourselves if we think we can deal Frye to get in the lottery so I'm thinking of a deal that would bring us back a mid-low 1st rounder and a high 2nd rounder. I really think that's fair. Here's a couple of options: (1) Frye and Nate Robinson to the Lakers for their 1st rounder (hovering around #19 at this point) and their 2nd rounder (#33). Although he's similar to Vladimir Radmanovic, Frye would give the Lakers a nice offensive option to play either behind or alongside Andrew Bynum and also would be a good player to have when you consider Odom's injury prone and Kwame Brown's a bust. And they might like Nate and his energy in the mix in the hopes of bringing back a little showtime in LA. Unlikely scenario, I know, but one possibility. (2) Frye and Nate or Collins to San Antonio for their 1st (#28) and their 2nd rounders (#34). Frye imo is more skilled than Ely or Elson, Butler's not ready to have any real impact and Robert Horry and Michael Finley aren't going to play forever. If I could envision a scenario where Frye would have a good chance to develop into a more complete player it would be playing with and learning from Tim Duncan. And Nate or Collins might be a better option to play behind Tony Parker than Jacque Vaughn. Collins in particular, much like Frye learning from Duncan, could further refine his already fine defensive abilities learning from a guy like Bruce Bowen. Just a few options. Basically with this draft I want: (1) A high % shooter with some size with our own pick at #23 (Almond, Afflalo, Belinelli or Rudy Fernandez). Crawford's inconsistant and might eventually slide over to PG anyway if and when Marbury declines and Q's back seems like it will always be a problem. (2) I take an additional shooter here with the low 1st rounder that would be coming back in a Frye trade unless there was strong buzz that Sean Williams might go late in the first round. If so I take Williams here. Otherwise, a take another shooter with size here. (3) With the high 2nd rounder I take Sean Williams. If he's gone I like Herbert Hill here (nice call Briggs). High % shooters with size and a legit shotblocker should be the top priorities. Hopefully we can get something done to either acquire more picks or move up in the draft come draft night and I'm totally in favor of using Channing Frye to do that. Any Thoughts????
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TMS
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3/19/2007  4:29 PM
Posted by purple012870:

What is curious to me is that his stroke doesn't extend a couple of more feet...meaning that if he were a 3 point threat, we'd be looking at him in a much better light.

if he could hit that 3 consistently, he'd be so much more valuable asset to have... but we've seen when he throws those 3's, he usually clanks them off the rim... he should work on that over the offseason, cuz there's no way he'll ever be used as a low post scoring option, so mine as well work on his main strength, which is shooting the ball.
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3/19/2007  4:39 PM
Why would another team give picks for him? He sucks. He's so poor, I'd actually rather have Mike Sweetney. Ouch.
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3/19/2007  5:33 PM
Well... if we deal Frye, it'll have to be along the lines of the Bill Cartwright/Oakley trade. The Knicks got the statistically more productive player (full of intangibles too!)... while the Bulls got the missing piece for their first Threepeat.

While Frye is no Oakley... he could get us the missing piece to our championship puzzle-- what position that may be, I'm not quite so sure.

Assuming David Lee returns from his ankle problem, I kind of don't think we need more starting-type big men. If David Lee could develop an Oakley/Ho Grant type of 10-12ft jumper, we're set.

I mean... really, if Frye were playing to his full potential, I think he's the perfect 3rd big man for our set up. He's got the capability to be a versatile scorer (jump shots, inside moves) and he has the length to challenge shots.
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3/20/2007  7:22 AM
Class and Confidence

“It’s kind of an easy explanation,” Frye said of his relative dormancy.

“This is a different team. Not every year is going to be like last year.”

Without pausing, Frye added, “I’d much rather have this year.”

(from NYTimes) Although Frye is known for his great shooting touch on the perimeter, he had many more chances around the basket last season. Consider his free-throw totals: Frye is averaging only 1.48 a game, less than half the 3.52 attempts he averaged as a rookie.

Last season, Frye took 67.3 percent of his attempts in the areas closest to the basket, according to statistical charts on the N.B.A.’s Web site. This season, Frye has taken 49.6 percent of his shots in the areas closest to the basket.

“That’s a huge transition, to go from playing with my back to the basket my whole life to facing up,” said Frye, who is shooting .444 from the field after shooting .477 last season.

“Not everybody gets to be put in a situation where they can be the main focal point every year,” Frye said. “You have to earn that spot. And Eddy’s earned that spot now on this team.”

Keep Him


[Edited by - misterearl on 03-20-2007 07:23 AM]
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3/20/2007  7:49 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Class and Confidence

“It’s kind of an easy explanation,” Frye said of his relative dormancy.

“This is a different team. Not every year is going to be like last year.”

Without pausing, Frye added, “I’d much rather have this year.”

(from NYTimes) Although Frye is known for his great shooting touch on the perimeter, he had many more chances around the basket last season. Consider his free-throw totals: Frye is averaging only 1.48 a game, less than half the 3.52 attempts he averaged as a rookie.

Last season, Frye took 67.3 percent of his attempts in the areas closest to the basket, according to statistical charts on the N.B.A.’s Web site. This season, Frye has taken 49.6 percent of his shots in the areas closest to the basket.

“That’s a huge transition, to go from playing with my back to the basket my whole life to facing up,” said Frye, who is shooting .444 from the field after shooting .477 last season.

“Not everybody gets to be put in a situation where they can be the main focal point every year,” Frye said. “You have to earn that spot. And Eddy’s earned that spot now on this team.”

Keep Him


[Edited by - misterearl on 03-20-2007 07:23 AM]

No, let's trade him for [Insert ridiculous trade here]!

It's actually pretty good that he is only 3 percentage points off of last year considering how much differently he has been used this year.

How many 6'11" players can make the adjustment Frye has been asked to make by his coach?

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3/20/2007  8:04 AM
Crazy Silly Funny

Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
16.2 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 4.7 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
10.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.1 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
8.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.7 minutes

C'mon MS, why on earth do the Lakers do this?



[Edited by - misterearl on 03-20-2007 08:07 AM]
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3/20/2007  9:27 AM
I think we've invested a lot into Channing Frye and we should give him the opportunity to succeed UNLESS he became in a piece in a trade for an Elton Brand type player.
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3/20/2007  9:29 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Crazy Silly Funny

Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
16.2 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 4.7 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
10.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.1 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
8.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.7 minutes

C'mon MS, why on earth do the Lakers do this?



[Edited by - misterearl on 03-20-2007 08:07 AM]

Lamar odom is softer than my Grandma. He misses a ton of games every year--do we need that? I think that is asking for trouble.
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3/20/2007  9:30 AM
Frye, Lee & Francis for KG.

That could happen. KG might just look at the situation in Minny & NY and think- boy, Dolan & Isiah are starting to do something, while McHale is just sitting on his hands.

Off hand, I don't know what the money looks like in terms of salary, but getting lee & frye might be the best offer they can get for KG.
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3/20/2007  10:00 AM
How about Curry, Frye, Crawford, Nate and our pick for kg, i think its in our best interest to get rid of eddy he doesn't have the makings of a great player...

Frye can give the team similiar offensive production
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3/20/2007  10:01 AM
kg is going to opt out after next season. and he's going to sign with the lakers.
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3/20/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

kg is going to opt out after next season. and he's going to sign with the lakers.

which would be why Minny would trade him for a package like Francis, Frye & Lee.

Heck, I would even do Curry, Frye & Filler.

I think KG might issue the ultimatum over the summer. Unless Minny wins the #1 pick, KG thinks the time is now.
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3/20/2007  11:39 AM
I think Curry, Frye, Francis would an ok package, if cap space is not an option....

Garnett/Snacks
Lee/Rose
Balkman/Jefferies
Q/Nate
Marbury/Crawford
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3/20/2007  11:40 AM
Posted by MS:

I think Curry, Frye, Francis would an ok package, if cap space is not an option....

Garnett/Snacks
Lee/Rose
Balkman/Jefferies
Q/Nate
Marbury/Crawford


This propsed team aint a championship calliber team either, so why bother?
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3/20/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by MS:

I think Curry, Frye, Francis would an ok package, if cap space is not an option....

Garnett/Snacks
Lee/Rose
Balkman/Jefferies
Q/Nate
Marbury/Crawford


This propsed team aint a championship calliber team either, so why bother?

Because if all we gave up to get KG was Frye & Curry- that is an awesome trade for us if you figure that we over paid for Curry and he will underachieve- I'm happy to see him go.

Isiah can save major face on the curry blunder. And I don't know if Frye is ever going to become something.

KG, assuming he stays healthy, replaces the offensive talents of Curry & Frye & instantly solves their defensive weaknesses.

Here is the thing with the knicks- we've got a lot of nice players- but you can only put five on the court at any one time- and our five is never the best five. KG changes that.
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