Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by kam77:

It sounds like people most want Curry to be a force defensively either with blocks or rebounds. And that perhaps simply shedding some weight and more seasoning with the asst coaches will help this come about.

Not much concern about passing? Would we all forgive Eddy is he just lost weight and showed more hustle on his man and on the defensive glass?

The keyword there Kam is that you said "MORE" because right now Curry doesn't show ANY. I want Curry to take playing defense seriously and part of defense is defensive rebounding. I feel if Curry is in the game and showing some serious effort with rebounding, he will be more energized and that will lead to better shotblocking and better help defense. JMHO

And if all that transpires will you look the other way regarding turnovers? Or does New York always need a scapegoat?

Posted by kam77:


And if all that transpires will you look the other way regarding turnovers? Or does New York always need a scapegoat?

Before you start berating me, you should check your facts. I've never once complained about Curry offensively. Never once. Curry's passing deficiencies would be reduced if there was a consistent threat from the outside that teams had to guard against. Problem is, those players aren't easy to find.

If you wanna talk basketball, lets talk basketball, don't be putting words in my mouth.

Curry has had his first real season to build on. He won't Regress, he'll be faster, more confindent and better, everything else will fall into place........ he will lose about 10-15 pounds over the summer, YOu wait and see.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by kam77:


And if all that transpires will you look the other way regarding turnovers? Or does New York always need a scapegoat?

Before you start berating me, you should check your facts. I've never once complained about Curry offensively. Never once. Curry's passing deficiencies would be reduced if there was a consistent threat from the outside that teams had to guard against. Problem is, those players aren't easy to find.

If you wanna talk basketball, lets talk basketball, don't be putting words in my mouth.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth. Just want to know if the forum will put up with a bad TO/asst ratio for your C if he does the other things well enough. Or will people here (not necessarily you) still get on Curry and call him a lazy idiot.

Another question is, What are the odds year 7 will be the year he turns his career around in these areas?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-20-2007 2:54 PM]

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Another question is, What are the odds year 7 will be the year he turns his career around in these areas?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-20-2007 2:54 PM]

0.003%

haha. that's very generous of you

Posted by highfivesucka:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Another question is, What are the odds year 7 will be the year he turns his career around in these areas?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-20-2007 2:54 PM]

0.003%

haha. that's very generous of you

This number was arrived at after much statistical analysis, namely the push-up to cheeseburger ratio, and the ratio compared with paycheck.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Another question is, What are the odds year 7 will be the year he turns his career around in these areas?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-20-2007 2:54 PM]

0.003%

The passing is something that I think he can improve on. This is the first year he has really commanded consistent doubleteams so he is still new at having to deal with that type of pressure. Plus, his teammates are not the greatest at cutting and creating easy basket opportunities. One of the reasons why I picked this area as something I really want to see him improve on is because I think it is one of the few areas that he realistically can make a dramatic improvement. Let's be real. He is not going to come back next year and be a defensive stopper. The most we can hope for is modest improvement in rebounding, defense, and shot-blocking, which likely will come if Curry improves his conditioning and the coaching staff makes defense a priority next season.

I just don't see how anyone can put anything into a defender who INTENTIONALLY moves out of the way on defense, so he doesn't risk getting into foul trouble... and is a black hole once the ball is passed into the post: never even looking to pass the ball out of the post. Those are my two biggest annoyances with Eddy. They're both attributed to lack of effort and pure selfishness. Frankly, I'd rather have a less "talented" player who tries.

This is the heart of the matter. Many criticize Eddy's EFFORT/CONDITIONING and thus, want someone else who is not going to be as good on offense, but will try harder in every area. But myself and TheGame and some others are essentially conceding that while Eddy can try and attack his weaknesses, its very unlikely anyone can take a weakness and turn it into a strength. You can do it, but it's a very hard and inefficient use of your time. The most you can usually hope for is to take a weakness and turn it into a non-weakness. Not necessarily a strength, just not a weakness anymore. So rather, Eddy should work on his one great strength, OFFENSE, and get better. Add a jumper, hit your FTs, read and react better to the double-team, make smarter decisions with the ball.... these are all the "little things" he can learn that won't require Eddy to suddenly find religion. Lets take his strength, and make it an even bigger edge, rather than bemoan his weaknesses and try to bail water out of a sinking raft with a spoon.

[Edited by - kam77 on 03-20-2007 3:55 PM]

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Another question is, What are the odds year 7 will be the year he turns his career around in these areas?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-20-2007 2:54 PM]

0.003%

The passing is something that I think he can improve on. This is the first year he has really commanded consistent doubleteams so he is still new at having to deal with that type of pressure. Plus, his teammates are not the greatest at cutting and creating easy basket opportunities. One of the reasons why I picked this area as something I really want to see him improve on is because I think it is one of the few areas that he realistically can make a dramatic improvement. Let's be real. He is not going to come back next year and be a defensive stopper. The most we can hope for is modest improvement in rebounding, defense, and shot-blocking, which likely will come if Curry improves his conditioning and the coaching staff makes defense a priority next season.

I just don't see how anyone can put anything into a defender who INTENTIONALLY moves out of the way on defense, so he doesn't risk getting into foul trouble... and is a black hole once the ball is passed into the post: never even looking to pass the ball out of the post. Those are my two biggest annoyances with Eddy. They're both attributed to lack of effort and pure selfishness. Frankly, I'd rather have a less "talented" player who tries.

This is the heart of the matter. Many criticize Eddy's EFFORT/CONDITIONING and thus, want someone else who is not going to be as good on offense, but will try harder in every area. But myself and TheGame and some others are essentially conceding that while Eddy can try and attack his weaknesses, its very unlikely anyone can take a weakness and turn it into a strength. You can do it, but it's a very hard and inefficient use of your time. The most you can usually hope for is to take a weakness and turn it into a non-weakness. Not necessarily a strength, just not a weakness anymore. So rather, Eddy should work on his one great strength, OFFENSE, and get better. Add a jumper, hit your FTs, read and react better to the double-team, make smarter decisions with the ball.... these are all the "little things" he can learn that won't require Eddy to suddenly find religion. Lets take his strength, and make it an even bigger edge, rather than bemoan his weaknesses and try to bail water out of a sinking raft with a spoon.

[Edited by - kam77 on 03-20-2007 3:55 PM]

So you have no problem with competing for a championship when your main cog's biggestt weakness is effort and conditioning?

Posted by kam77:

Weaknesses being Rebounds and Shotblocking. I can't believe folks here think Eddys going to become a block-monster, yet thats #1 on the wish list.

I think conditioning and effort can be coached and coaxed out of a player and Isiah can take care of that with Eddy.

But realistically, if Eddy Curry is going to improve significantly in ONE offseason, it will be by focusing on being an even bigger offensive threat and cutting down the miscues. I have no problem having an offensive monster who is not a rebounder/defender because i think you can find a PF or SF to do those things if you have to, but its much harder to find an offensive force like Curry.

See I disagree. I think he can improve his effort and rebounding overnight. Just by trying harder. The passing out of the dobule teams and cutting down on miscues is the harder thing to learn. The reality is that it seems like you are disparaging people just because they don't agree with you as to what his main weakness is. Most knowledgeable fans can accept his faults as a player. But they can't accept his personal flaws like laziness. Charlie Ward had 1/100 his talent and 1/100000000000 of his critics. Same with Charles Oakley and mase and the rest. Why? Because they worked hard. People see Curry they know he can become a better rebounder overnight and want him to do it. Until he makes the personal choice to try harder he will be criticized. Try doing one thing on any job and letting the rest go by the wayside and you will be criticized. That's life.

AS for building the team, I agree with you. We can build a team where we focus on Eddie's offense and get others at the PF position to do some of the dirty work. But that probably means we will have to rid ourselves of some of the younger guys on the team to obtain legitimate players that can do this. Are you on board with this? Or should we keep going the MLE route?

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by kam77:

Weaknesses being Rebounds and Shotblocking. I can't believe folks here think Eddys going to become a block-monster, yet thats #1 on the wish list.

I think conditioning and effort can be coached and coaxed out of a player and Isiah can take care of that with Eddy.

But realistically, if Eddy Curry is going to improve significantly in ONE offseason, it will be by focusing on being an even bigger offensive threat and cutting down the miscues. I have no problem having an offensive monster who is not a rebounder/defender because i think you can find a PF or SF to do those things if you have to, but its much harder to find an offensive force like Curry.

See I disagree. I think he can improve his effort and rebounding overnight. Just by trying harder. The passing out of the dobule teams and cutting down on miscues is the harder thing to learn. The reality is that it seems like you are disparaging people just because they don't agree with you as to what his main weakness is. Most knowledgeable fans can accept his faults as a player. But they can't accept his personal flaws like laziness. Charlie Ward had 1/100 his talent and 1/100000000000 of his critics. Same with Charles Oakley and mase and the rest. Why? Because they worked hard. People see Curry they know he can become a better rebounder overnight and want him to do it. Until he makes the personal choice to try harder he will be criticized. Try doing one thing on any job and letting the rest go by the wayside and you will be criticized. That's life.

AS for building the team, I agree with you. We can build a team where we focus on Eddie's offense and get others at the PF position to do some of the dirty work. But that probably means we will have to rid ourselves of some of the younger guys on the team to obtain legitimate players that can do this. Are you on board with this? Or should we keep going the MLE route?

I'm on board with it Bip! N8, Collins, Crawford, even Frye even Lee. You gotta do what you gotta do.

The reality is that it seems like you are disparaging people just because they don't agree with you as to what his main weakness is.

You're really stretching if you think i'm disparaging people though.

In fact aren't you the one on the other thread who says things to other posters like "You know what i noticed about the lovers, they never answer your question and they instead do this"

Don't call me black, Pot