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MS
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PresIke, i can refute anything i want, fact of the matter is that isiah hasn't made one move that was a steal or when we came out to be clearly the winner.
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You can call my thinking critical if you want, I like to however point out the facts, and the facts remain isiah has put together a piss poor unit, and chances are if you just put together a team of hard working veterans your going to get 35 wins in the nba.
I look at this team and I feel there is very little to get excited about when our conference is improving teams are maturing and they have assets and cap space to get better, we don’t have either.
Since you have an intimate knowledge of the game and the negotiating process, I would like to bring up
Allan Houston. We gave him 100million there were two other teams that could make an offer but didn’t we could have signed him for 70-75million, that’s a fact but we screwed ourselevs
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Someone explain to me how this deserves an extension
Bulls-Managed to pawn off the most erractic player in the NBA
[**OPINION**] So you believe Crawford was THE most erratic player in the NBA? Care to rais some kind of factual based statement to support such claims? At his age this shouldn't have had been a surprise. The Knicks had a bum squad, and no scoring outside of Allan.
by making isiah believe they would match his offer
4-15, 5-15, 3-13, 3-10, 5-15, 3-10, 3-13, 3-11, 4-13, 4-14, 8-26, 6-26, 1-9, 3-10, 5-17, 4-14, 0-8, 4-13, 1-6, 1-6, 2-9, 1-8, 4-22-I THINK THAT PROVES THAT HE IS PERHAPS THE NBAS MOST ERRACTIC PLAYER WITH THESE TYPE OF GAMES ALL SEASON THAT LOSS YOU GAMES
[**OPINON**] Care to provide the Bulls org. quote that supports such a statement?,
quote: and in turn got him to take 21 million owed to JYD
[**FACT & OPINION**], yet riddled with opinion, since we don't know what happened in negotiations how do we know who got whom to take what?
ALL I know is he was included in the deal was he not, and we signed vin baker as a favor to his agent. We gave them cap room to take on a 40% shooter that plays like a street baller
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-Got Two lottery picks for a a player they weren't going to sign,
[**OPINON**] this time riddled with outright lies...since the 2007 reg season is not over we don't know if it's a lotto pick, and we get the Bulls pick.
YOUR RIGHT, WE HAVEN”T LOST OUT ON AN UNDER 500 RECORD AND A 5 GAME BATTLE WITH THE PISTONS YET
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we couldn't offer lottery protection on the pick but Paxson would have settled for the 30th selection in the draft to wave that? Sounds curious
[**OPINION**] Yes, curious that you seem to have psychic abilities to know what exactly transpired during negotiations.
-I KNOW ISIAH DEALT WITH TWO FRANCISES THE BULLS AND THE SUNS AND GOT FLEECED IN BOTH TRANSACTIONS, AND THIS MAN JUSTIFIED HIS DRAFTING OF BALKMAN BY SAYING THE SUNS WOULD HAVE PICKED HIM
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Wizards- Were not going to give a half dimensional player 30 million, but isiah felt the need to offer a trade kicker?
[**FACT & OPINION**] Ok, so Isiah may have overpaid for Jeffries, but that's the name of the game in getting players to jump ship if they aren't unhappy. So the Knicks were the only single team in the NBA would would have signed Jeffries? I hardly believe that. Maybe he wouldn't have signed the offer sheet with the Knicks had that not been part of the deal. TK's are just common offerings in most NBA contracts, and you act like it's some kind of major deal.
WHERE WERE THE OTHER TEAMS BIDDING FOR HIS SERVICES, YEA OVERPAYING TO GET A PLAYER TO COME TO THE BIGGEST MARKET IN THE WORLD AND PERHAPS MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF, YOU OFFER A TRADE KICKER, NOT TO SOMEONE THAT HAS PROVEN NOTHING IN THE LEAGUE
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Suns
-Wanted to start over and rebuild, but isiah felt the need to take 45 million on in penny and still give them 4 draft picks to get a player that never won a playoff series
[**OPINION**] But? But in contrast to what, that he shouldn't trade with them to help their interests to serve his own at the time? Sadly, in typical NY fan fashion we expect to win every deal and give the other team nothing for something, like this is the Yankees. So you ignore the fact that Marbury was a major star in his prime. Is it not fair to expect you to consider facts that go contrary to your point of view?
WE EXPECT TO WIN EVERY DEAL, HE HAS MADE A NUMBER OF DEALS AND LOST EVERYONE OF THEM
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-Traded for a player with a back injury that will keep him out of action for 1/4 of his career games, but since we new this isiah called the 28 million still owed for the 21st pick in the draft?
[**FACT & OPINION**] Q has a back problem but are you one of the doctor's that checked him out because otherwise that statement is full of air. So Q is not worth one dime of the 28 million and we got the highly touted Nate (which he was at the time of the draft) as pure compensation? Do you honestly believe the words you are typing? I am quite disappointed in the rest of the 'realists' apparent blind support of your statements here as well.
YEAH I CHECKED HIM OUT, THE GUY GETS INJURED EVERY GAME WITHOUT ANYONE TOUCHING HIM, IS HE WORTH THOSE NEXT TWO YEARS IF HIS BACK TIGHTENS UP EVERY OTHER GAME, NO! AND DOES NATE HELP YOU WIN OR SELL TICKETS? HE WAS HIGHLY TOUTED? BY WHO
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Spurs
-Major cap relief and an important center expiring from his contract helping to lead them to a championship Isiah decided taking 33 million in guarenteed money was worth the 29th 30th pick in the draft
[**FACT & OPINION**] HA! Nice that you left out that the 30th pick was David Lee! The jury is still out on Collins, but wow, this post is really a piece of work. So, Nazr would have been an important center for our own championship run then? Again, you seem to expect that the Knicks should NEVER help another team in a deal. Of course, if you heard Isiah he also felt Malik was meant to set an example for work ethic and locker room ability. I'm no Rose lover, but these can't be left out of the equation.
I DIDN”T HAVE TO LEAVE OUT THAT IT WAS DAVID LEE YOU ASSHOLE, IF YOU WANT PICKS YOU CAN BY THEM EVERY DRAFT, SO 33 MILLION WAS WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN? If you heard ISIAH, you are some kind of loser to bring up anything isiah says, his locker room ability?
-GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK, he brings in Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, Marbury, Nate, etc and you believe he was brought in to help the lockeroom, trade backfired all isiah does is lie
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Sonics
-While no one in the league showed interest Isiah gives out 30 million to a center with a history of laziness and bad work ethic, when the player we need Reggie Evans signs for under 2 million
[**FACT & OPINION**] Yes, James has such a history, but not one team was interested? There are so many bold, unsupported statements in this post that I'm beginning to feel like we're in the trailer for '300.' Reggie Evans is not a center, nor does he block shots, nor was he a free-agent when James was. I also suggest you go check the record for centers pay, of which there is a history of overpayment throughout the NBA, and then if you are interested in attempting some objectivity, you may re-think your statement.
AT THAT PRICE NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE WAS INTERESTED, AND ESPN, THE PAPERS AND EVERYONE ELSE SLAMMED THE DEAL, YES LIKES JUST OVERPAY FOR A GUY BECAUSE HE PLAYS CENTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
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Magic
-Isiah decideds taking on a player making 14, 15, 16, million and a known chemistry killer is worth the headache he has given every organization he has ever played for, giving a conference rival cap relief and a small foward for the future
[**FACT & OPINION**] Isiah is clearly responsible for the trade in the end, but one does wonder what was going on behind the scenes with that deal. I'm not going to say it was Brown's or Dolan's push, and I was personally for the trade. I saw Francis as a real talent that was getting old enough where he might show some maturity, and flourish. It was a calculated risk that was attempted under the philosophy that had been used to build the team, whether one likes it or not. We took on Spree under similar circumstances, who was also supposedly a "cancer" and it worked out fine. The Marbury deal has been somewhat less successful as has some other moves using similar a strategy, which is a fair thing to say, but I thought we were getting a bonified star talent. As for the Ariza comment, that's so obviously filled with hindsight because he was not doing a good job last year. Brown called him out, and I personally like Balkman's game better then Trevor, because he is a better ball handler, seems more confident, and I argue has shown better overall defense, especially as a shot blocker in one-on-one situations. At the time Ariza was not popular with fans as much, and for us to spend too much energy crying sour grapes about him seems like a re-telling of the past to suit one's own view.
OK WHATEVER, YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN ALL DEALS YOU’RE THE GM, ITS YOUR DEAL NOT THE HEAD COACHES AND IF YOU COULDN”T SEE THAT WAS A DISASTER THEN YOU’RE A MORON-FACT?
We took on sprewell under similar circumstances? He was in his prime, no injury concerns brought something different than Houston, defense an attacking style and we didn’t take on salary at the time. I love how you are refuting what I say.
Fact
-ISIAH REPLACE THE TEAM DOCTOR WHO CAN”T DIAGNOSE AN INJURY, CRAWFORD? LEE? THE MAN HAS BEEN A DISASTER ON EVERY FRONT, AND GET EXCITED ABOUT EDDY CURRY IF YOU WANT AND FAIL TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THIS TEAM IS MADE UP OF QUITTERS WHO THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN THEY ARE
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