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TrueBlue
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3/15/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

we need ernie grunfeld now

We need Charlie Ward not now but RIGHT NOW!
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djsunyc
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3/15/2007  2:43 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

we need ernie grunfeld now

We need Charlie Ward not now but RIGHT NOW!

if this team has no care in the world for salary cap, then they should make a move for derek fisher. he played with a post player, he got the ball in the post, and he can hit the 3 point shot.
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3/15/2007  3:08 PM
It's not like Curry hasn't played well with steph before, he's been the PG all season. It's just that with Jamal out there too there another guy who can get him the ball exactly when and how he likes it. Now we only have one guy and it's easier for teams to play more aggressively on him. That is also the case without Lee. Lee would be lurking around the basket and teams would have to keep a man near him. Now they don't really respect Frye or Jared. I think all of this is just pure garbage. We need to keep developing Collins and maybe look to add another solid backp PG. We also need a SF who we can depend on being there, cuz Q just can't stay out there with his back.

What Steph is giving us this year is perfectly fine, but we need more help on the perimeter. Imagine this team with perimeter shooters like Toronto. It's crystal clear that is one of our biggest needs now that we have a center like Curry. We need guys who will make teams pay for doubling and that's the one thing that Colangelo really did a good job with. Now Isiah has to do the same thing for this team. I'll also remind you that watching Toronto it's clear that their best defense is their offense. We had guys just as open, but once Q went down, we no longer had that deep threat. We need to go forward looking for more shooters.
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3/15/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

we need ernie grunfeld now

We need Charlie Ward not now but RIGHT NOW!

if this team has no care in the world for salary cap, then they should make a move for derek fisher. he played with a post player, he got the ball in the post, and he can hit the 3 point shot.


Yes Sir

All I know is...... "New York Will Never Win A Championship With Marbury As Their Point Guard".


Derek Fisher has played a important role on Utah's team Sloan and Miller aren't dumb enough to a deal with the Knicks. Sloan requires high IQ from basketball players and unfortunately this team has nothing to offer them besides Lee.
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3/15/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

we need ernie grunfeld now

We need Charlie Ward not now but RIGHT NOW!

if this team has no care in the world for salary cap, then they should make a move for derek fisher. he played with a post player, he got the ball in the post, and he can hit the 3 point shot.


Yes Sir

All I know is...... "New York Will Never Win A Championship With Marbury As Their Point Guard".


Derek Fisher has played a important role on Utah's team Sloan and Miller aren't dumb enough to a deal with the Knicks. Sloan requires high IQ from basketball players and unfortunately this team has nothing to offer them besides Lee.

We didn't win with Ward at the point either. Nor Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland, Rory Sparrow, Sugar ray, Derek Harper, Doc, Childs, Cheeks etc. Point being, there are much bigger reasons we aint win a chip since 73 than Marb.
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3/15/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

we need ernie grunfeld now

We need Charlie Ward not now but RIGHT NOW!

if this team has no care in the world for salary cap, then they should make a move for derek fisher. he played with a post player, he got the ball in the post, and he can hit the 3 point shot.


Yes Sir

All I know is...... "New York Will Never Win A Championship With Marbury As Their Point Guard".


Derek Fisher has played a important role on Utah's team Sloan and Miller aren't dumb enough to a deal with the Knicks. Sloan requires high IQ from basketball players and unfortunately this team has nothing to offer them besides Lee.

We didn't win with Ward at the point either. Nor Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland, Rory Sparrow, Sugar ray, Derek Harper, Doc, Childs, Cheeks etc. Point being, there are much bigger reasons we aint win a chip since 73 than Marb.



But those guys played hard, team oriented, with no agendas every game and didn't make near the kind of mula WATERMELON HEAD makes. They also were perinnial starting point gaurds on Knick playoff teams. For Marbury to make such denunciation against Ward when all he's accomplished in a Knick uniform is a one-night stand worth of play is comical at best and even more comical when fans like you play Kevin Costner to his Whitney Houston.
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3/15/2007  4:00 PM
Would you do a Milsap, Fisher for frye and crawford? plus their draft choice
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3/15/2007  4:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It's not like Curry hasn't played well with steph before, he's been the PG all season. It's just that with Jamal out there too there another guy who can get him the ball exactly when and how he likes it. Now we only have one guy and it's easier for teams to play more aggressively on him. That is also the case without Lee. Lee would be lurking around the basket and teams would have to keep a man near him. Now they don't really respect Frye or Jared. I think all of this is just pure garbage. We need to keep developing Collins and maybe look to add another solid backp PG. We also need a SF who we can depend on being there, cuz Q just can't stay out there with his back.

What Steph is giving us this year is perfectly fine, but we need more help on the perimeter. Imagine this team with perimeter shooters like Toronto. It's crystal clear that is one of our biggest needs now that we have a center like Curry. We need guys who will make teams pay for doubling and that's the one thing that Colangelo really did a good job with. Now Isiah has to do the same thing for this team. I'll also remind you that watching Toronto it's clear that their best defense is their offense. We had guys just as open, but once Q went down, we no longer had that deep threat. We need to go forward looking for more shooters.


You are correct and this is why I mentioned balance all summer long. This is why I mentioned the importance of finding a PG that can get the ball to Curry. Because if Marbs gets hurt (or is asked to take on a scorers role like he has been asked since Craw went down) we have noone to dish the ball. We siad we didn't draft a PG because we have too many "scoring PG's". But the reality is that we don't have any PG's on this team. marbs and Craw can masquerade as one for stretches but they are scorers. There is noone that has the instinct and ability to get a player like Curry involved when the odds make it tough. Normally when I scream about stuff over and over and over again, I know what i'm talkinga bout.
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3/15/2007  4:38 PM
We definitely don't need Charlatan Ward.
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3/15/2007  11:18 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You are correct and this is why I mentioned balance all summer long. This is why I mentioned the importance of finding a PG that can get the ball to Curry. Because if Marbs gets hurt (or is asked to take on a scorers role like he has been asked since Craw went down) we have noone to dish the ball. We siad we didn't draft a PG because we have too many "scoring PG's". But the reality is that we don't have any PG's on this team. marbs and Craw can masquerade as one for stretches but they are scorers. There is noone that has the instinct and ability to get a player like Curry involved when the odds make it tough. Normally when I scream about stuff over and over and over again, I know what i'm talkinga bout.

I don't thnk anyone felt you were wrong about getting a PG, just that if that guard was M. Williams, then it would be a matter of opinion as to whether he would really have made a huge difference. This team would've had to make some kind of drastic move in order to clear the space needed for him. He's a lot like the players we already have in terms of size. Yes he's a better natural PG, but we needed a bigger guard who could defend. Not so much just for this season, which is part of my problem with how people judge the team, but going forward. It's not just about this year and never has been. We can't expect that the team would be made complete so quickly. This season has provided some answers to questions and now Isiah can target the players we need.

Right now from what i've seen of M. Williams, he's OK, but I don't think he's at this point the difference between us making the playoffs or not. Heck the Nets have him and even they're fighting for their lives with pretty much the same record we have. We really only have one scoring SF in Q and he's kind of a tweener at that. That's a huge problem to me. We can't depend on him staying healthy. We need to address that need and we might already have a backup guard in Collins, but he's a work in progress. I liked how he looked at the point with Steph and Francis on the wings. We'll see how Isiah looks to address the PG situation in the offseason.

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3/16/2007  10:16 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

You are correct and this is why I mentioned balance all summer long. This is why I mentioned the importance of finding a PG that can get the ball to Curry. Because if Marbs gets hurt (or is asked to take on a scorers role like he has been asked since Craw went down) we have noone to dish the ball. We siad we didn't draft a PG because we have too many "scoring PG's". But the reality is that we don't have any PG's on this team. marbs and Craw can masquerade as one for stretches but they are scorers. There is noone that has the instinct and ability to get a player like Curry involved when the odds make it tough. Normally when I scream about stuff over and over and over again, I know what i'm talkinga bout.

I don't thnk anyone felt you were wrong about getting a PG, just that if that guard was M. Williams, then it would be a matter of opinion as to whether he would really have made a huge difference. This team would've had to make some kind of drastic move in order to clear the space needed for him. He's a lot like the players we already have in terms of size. Yes he's a better natural PG, but we needed a bigger guard who could defend. Not so much just for this season, which is part of my problem with how people judge the team, but going forward. It's not just about this year and never has been. We can't expect that the team would be made complete so quickly. This season has provided some answers to questions and now Isiah can target the players we need.

Right now from what i've seen of M. Williams, he's OK, but I don't think he's at this point the difference between us making the playoffs or not. Heck the Nets have him and even they're fighting for their lives with pretty much the same record we have. We really only have one scoring SF in Q and he's kind of a tweener at that. That's a huge problem to me. We can't depend on him staying healthy. We need to address that need and we might already have a backup guard in Collins, but he's a work in progress. I liked how he looked at the point with Steph and Francis on the wings. We'll see how Isiah looks to address the PG situation in the offseason.

You are contradicting yourself. You talk about the need to worry about the future and yet you say we shouldn't draft Marcus because he wouldn't make a difference with us making the playoffs today. And that's what I'm talking about. We drafted Balkman(who will be good) based on our team today. We saw we needed energy today and went out and drafted it. Jeffries was signed for the same reason. To add energy to a lazy team and help us get better today so that our coach/GM could save his job. Not an entirely bad idea but for my thoughts as a GM I am drafting and signing free-agents based on Curry's prime. And this is what someone looking for the future would do.

I say Eddie 3 to 4 years will be peaking. We know his weaknesses. So when he peaks we want to make sure we have guys that not only compliment him but have been able to play with him for 3-4 years. Not role players with energy. But potential stars or good players with energy. If a PG, shotblocker or outside shooter is available you have to take a chance. We are not in position to worry about the "what if he flops" issue. We have 3 years to find these guys. We have 3 years to take chances. But since our GM/coach will always be on the hotseat we probably won't.

Eddie Curry is going to be double and triple teamed for the rest of his career. Finding him a PG/shooter and shot blocker are imperative. So when one becomes available, why in the world would you pass on it? We passed on it during the offseason because we have STephon and Stevie on this team today. We are not forward thinkers and are simply moving year to year in order to make the playoffs. 7 years it's been the same. It's so clear it's amazing. But we still deny it's happening. Teh goal is to fill the seats and to get fans like us excited about .500 seasons and dreaming of titles when we know we have no chance. After '99 we were convinced we had a title contender. It was clear to me that without Pat we could not compete with the West. I said it was time to rebuild. We instead held on to the notion that you don't need a star and can win with average players. We refused to break it up. Fans bought into the make the playoffs and anything can happen theory and for 7 years we have paid the price. Wise up! Demand moves be made with three years down the line in mind. Not for today. Get guys who's games compliment the guy we are building around.
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