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holfresh
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3/14/2007  10:10 PM

Honestly the Raptors doesn't impress me...The GM is trying to build a poor man's version of Suns...They have no interior presence defensively..Bosh is good but is not a defensive presence to stop penetrators...They are not as fast as PHX and Ford is not Nash...They will entertain you tho...

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3/14/2007  10:14 PM
There way ahead of a lot younger teams out there. I would say Toronto and probably New Orleans have the most promising futures of the younger teams in the league right now.
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3/14/2007  10:15 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Honestly the Raptors doesn't impress me...The GM is trying to build a poor man's version of Suns...They have no interior presence defensively..Bosh is good but is not a defensive presence to stop penetrators...They are not as fast as PHX and Ford is not Nash...They will entertain you tho...


bargnani sure looks like he could be a dirk type player pretty soon tho...
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3/14/2007  10:15 PM
Posted by bitty41:

There way ahead of a lot younger teams out there. I would say Toronto and probably New Orleans have the most promising futures of the younger teams in the league right now.

They can't defend or rebound..that translate into being bumped in the first round...

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3/14/2007  10:16 PM
Posted by bitty41:

There way ahead of a lot younger teams out there. I would say Toronto and probably New Orleans have the most promising futures of the younger teams in the league right now.

I'd add the Bobcats to that list too.

OT: The Hornets should stay in Oklahoma.

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3/14/2007  10:17 PM
To beat the Raptors is not that hard

1. Stay in front of Ford he has no shot
2. Stay home on all their players MANUP
3. Post up their bigs you will be fouled
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3/14/2007  10:19 PM
Ya'll want Larry now don't ya?

Tell a team to play fundamentally well and they make you walk the plank.

Isiah don't ask his players to do things like play hard, play defense cuz he might stress them out and not be his friend anymore.

This is the team. its a .500 team at best for now. Some days are better than others.

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3/14/2007  10:21 PM
Posted by holfresh:


It Curry as well...He gives the guards no angles at all to pass the ball..Marbs allows his man to drop off him to double Curry in the post...Marbs has to shoot everytime...
If the defense is going to collapse on a player before he gets the ball, there's nothing you can do to get it to him. Your other players have to make the defense pay for collapsing.
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3/14/2007  10:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:


Honestly the Raptors doesn't impress me...The GM is trying to build a poor man's version of Suns...They have no interior presence defensively..Bosh is good but is not a defensive presence to stop penetrators...They are not as fast as PHX and Ford is not Nash...They will entertain you tho...


bargnani sure looks like he could be a dirk type player pretty soon tho...

That can happen which will be huge for them...But he has rebound...Maybe I'm old school...Big men are more valuable when they score inside and rebound...The outside shot is gravy for me...I know he can put it on the floor and he is young...We will see how it goes....My thing with the Raptors is that their big men are in place and they don't defend...They can score but defense win playoffs games...

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3/14/2007  10:21 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm still flabbergasted that marbury and francis have no idea how to get the ball to a post player. they just hold the ball. it's absolutely retarded. simply retarded.

I love the way Francis stands about 4 feet away from Curry and holds the ball and expects Curry to do something with his guy and Francis' guy in the same area.

lol I wrote the same thing in another post. He neglects the fact that you need to maintain proper floor spacing before the post pass will open up. but like you said he literally walks up to curry and tries to hand him the ball if the pass isn't there... and other times he just stands and holds the ball for a few seconds. its like whenever he touches it we're guaranteed to lose 3-4 seconds off the shot clock but the ball doesn't go anywhere
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3/14/2007  10:24 PM
Was Francis's decision making this awful back when he was Stevie Franchise in Houston and Van Couver? I don't remember it being like this
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3/14/2007  10:26 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by bitty41:

There way ahead of a lot younger teams out there. I would say Toronto and probably New Orleans have the most promising futures of the younger teams in the league right now.

They can't defend or rebound..that translate into being bumped in the first round...



As oppossed to not making the playoffs at all. There not Championship material but they have legitimate base of young players who if they continue to develop they could find themselves on the top shelf of the Conference in a few years. Like someone else mentioned (sorry I don't remember who) if you had a bruising center to their mix they will be a serious force.
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3/14/2007  10:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm still flabbergasted that marbury and francis have no idea how to get the ball to a post player. they just hold the ball. it's absolutely retarded. simply retarded.


Even Curry was talking about it in post game interview. Said he can't see what the guards are seeing but he feels open and doesn't understand why he isn't getting the ball.

It was absurd when late in the fourth Eddy was backing down on single coverage down and Steph called him to the perimeter for a screen that he didn't use. He passed off the the center arc when if he took it baseline Eddy's defender would have collapsed and Eddy would be free for an easy dish in rhythm.

I'm having a hard time to discern if this stagnant offense is a result of Steph's legs, him being inebriated from his recent "green light" staus, his limited understanding of what Isiah wants (when he doesn't even look at his coach calling for time with 30 secs you have to wonder), or this is Isiah's system in spite of it not really working for Eddy for some weeks now.

The thing is Marbury could at least set up Nazr with some shuttle passes off penetrations, and Eddy has far better hands and power than Naz, yet we see none of that. Nowadays Marbury seems camped on the perimeter, or when he penetrates it's all the way by himself.

He's really been in the zone for scoring, his shot has been money, but are we seeing the return of Starbury, who wants to do it all alone?
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3/14/2007  10:38 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm still flabbergasted that marbury and francis have no idea how to get the ball to a post player. they just hold the ball. it's absolutely retarded. simply retarded.


Even Curry was talking about it in post game interview. Said he can't see what the guards are seeing but he feels open and doesn't understand why he isn't getting the ball.

It was absurd when late in the fourth Eddy was backing down on single coverage down and Steph called him to the perimeter for a screen that he didn't use. He passed off the the center arc when if he took it baseline Eddy's defender would have collapsed and Eddy would be free for an easy dish in rhythm.

I'm having a hard time to discern if this stagnant offense is a result of Steph's legs, him being inebriated from his recent "green light" staus, his limited understanding of what Isiah wants (when he doesn't even look at his coach calling for time with 30 secs you have to wonder), or this is Isiah's system in spite of it not really working for Eddy for some weeks now.

The thing is Marbury could at least set up Nazr with some shuttle passes off penetrations, and Eddy has far better hands and power than Naz, yet we see none of that. Nowadays Marbury seems camped on the perimeter, or when he penetrates it's all the way by himself.

He's really been in the zone for scoring, his shot has been money, but are we seeing the return of Starbury, who wants to do it all alone?

See the thing is Marbury never really passed the ball to Nazr when he was here. Nazr use to get his points by his own hustle plays. Put backs, and rebounds off his teammates missed shots. Kurt Thomas gave the ball Nazr as much as Marbury gave Nazr the ball.

Marbury main assist guy was Kurt Thomas for the pick and roll. Never a guy in the post.

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3/14/2007  10:48 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm still flabbergasted that marbury and francis have no idea how to get the ball to a post player. they just hold the ball. it's absolutely retarded. simply retarded.


Even Curry was talking about it in post game interview. Said he can't see what the guards are seeing but he feels open and doesn't understand why he isn't getting the ball.

It was absurd when late in the fourth Eddy was backing down on single coverage down and Steph called him to the perimeter for a screen that he didn't use. He passed off the the center arc when if he took it baseline Eddy's defender would have collapsed and Eddy would be free for an easy dish in rhythm.

I'm having a hard time to discern if this stagnant offense is a result of Steph's legs, him being inebriated from his recent "green light" staus, his limited understanding of what Isiah wants (when he doesn't even look at his coach calling for time with 30 secs you have to wonder), or this is Isiah's system in spite of it not really working for Eddy for some weeks now.

The thing is Marbury could at least set up Nazr with some shuttle passes off penetrations, and Eddy has far better hands and power than Naz, yet we see none of that. Nowadays Marbury seems camped on the perimeter, or when he penetrates it's all the way by himself.

He's really been in the zone for scoring, his shot has been money, but are we seeing the return of Starbury, who wants to do it all alone?

See the thing is Marbury never really passed the ball to Nazr when he was here. Nazr use to get his points by his own hustle plays. Put backs, and rebounds off his teammates missed shots. Kurt Thomas gave the ball Nazr as much as Marbury gave Nazr the ball.

Marbury main assist guy was Kurt Thomas for the pick and roll. Never a guy in the post.


You're 99% right C, but still, of Steph's 9 APG back then, perhaps one or two per night came from Steph plunging down the center and giving a little shuttle feed to Nazr on the right. Eddy is lucky to see two of those a month, and as you say, they often come from a forward.

The motion on this team is poor and we still struggle for easy buckets. The latter part is especially odd when supposedly we have a top 3 post scorer and the best PG in the game on the court together.

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3/14/2007  10:56 PM

Lee gets a few of those a game from Marbury..I'm not sure why Curry doesn't get those..maybe it's his positioning and not moving toward the hoop when Marbs is driving...Maybe it the fact that he usually has two guys around him..Can't say for sure really but I think Marbs can't be blamed for that...Lee gets plenty of dishes for easy dunks...

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3/14/2007  11:10 PM
The lack of movement is fly in this teams ointment when they move they win and look good doing it. When they stand around and watch we can't get anything done.
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3/14/2007  11:23 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm still flabbergasted that marbury and francis have no idea how to get the ball to a post player. they just hold the ball. it's absolutely retarded. simply retarded.


Even Curry was talking about it in post game interview. Said he can't see what the guards are seeing but he feels open and doesn't understand why he isn't getting the ball.

It was absurd when late in the fourth Eddy was backing down on single coverage down and Steph called him to the perimeter for a screen that he didn't use. He passed off the the center arc when if he took it baseline Eddy's defender would have collapsed and Eddy would be free for an easy dish in rhythm.

I'm having a hard time to discern if this stagnant offense is a result of Steph's legs, him being inebriated from his recent "green light" staus, his limited understanding of what Isiah wants (when he doesn't even look at his coach calling for time with 30 secs you have to wonder), or this is Isiah's system in spite of it not really working for Eddy for some weeks now.

The thing is Marbury could at least set up Nazr with some shuttle passes off penetrations, and Eddy has far better hands and power than Naz, yet we see none of that. Nowadays Marbury seems camped on the perimeter, or when he penetrates it's all the way by himself.

He's really been in the zone for scoring, his shot has been money, but are we seeing the return of Starbury, who wants to do it all alone?

end this marbury at pg experiment. it's been a total failure already. he's a scorer and that's it.

all eddy needs is a guard that will pass him the damn ball. on this team, the only guy that will do it is jamal. unbelievable...isiah needs to get 2-3 new guards. and that's not even mentioning frontcourt players that are needed as well.

oh boy...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-14-2007 11:24 PM]
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3/15/2007  12:13 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

is it me, or is frye playing worse than brian cook right now?

Over the last month:

Frye:
8.6 pts, 5.3 rebs, 1.4 ast, .4 stl, .5 blk, .415 FG%, .700 FT%

Cook:
10.4 pts, 4.8 rebs, 1 ast, .5 stl, .5 blk, .441 FG%, .100 FT%, .441 3PT%
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3/15/2007  12:18 AM
There's nothing wrong with steph at Point guard. The thing is that part of the problem is that when you're on the court you want to see Curry get settled and he doesn't always do that. He's so busy fighting with his man and often he's got the guy draped over him, in such a way that yoiu can't get the pass to him without the defender being able to just reach out and tip the ball away, which is what happened a few times tonight. The camera angle that we see is making it look like it's more open than it really is. PLUS Steph can see the defense BEHIND Curry which he doesn't see and that also makes him hesistate. Now Steph and the whole team MUST improve, but so does Curry.

ALso what it comes down to is not having as many options on offense to keep a defense honest. We are missing our 2 SG's and our top Forward. Frye is in a fog, which couldn't have happened at a worse time. So all we have is Steph and Francis and you can see that Francis isn't and efficient player.
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