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MS
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3/14/2007  1:48 PM
So Smith is a great rebounder, one of the league best shot blockers and 21 years old, I would give the hawks curry and start him at the sf next to lee and frye and we would win more games than currently constructed....

Use Lee if you like, he gets a majority of his shots on dunks and putbacks but if you gave lee 11 shots he would hit 4-5 and be averaging 18pts and 12rbs if isiah played him more so you. Would i rather see him shoot than crawford, yes.....I said if he shot 11 times Smith would make four which is under 40% why is that unrealistic....

Smith is averaging close to 19pts the past two months and if you can't see this kid is going to be a star than you don't know anyting about basketball
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3/14/2007  2:13 PM
i wouldn't trade Lee for Smith, though i understand why you might... the only way i trade Lee is for a franchise calibre talent on the rise... i think Josh will be a star, but not quite sure he'll be a guy who you can build a team AROUND.

as for the Jamal thing, Smith is not a guy who can create his own shot the way Jamal does, so unless you have him shooting the ball on spot ups & in transition, he's not a polished offensive threat... Jamal is impossible to guard 1 on 1... i'm not saying i'd rather have Jamal than Josh, but in terms of offensive game, Jamal is a much better scorer than Josh at this point.
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3/14/2007  2:25 PM
he is a great scorer, he is just not a good player thats his problem, few can fill it up when he has it going, but he is too ineffective to get it going...i think crawford and frye would be a good package for both teams and give us a player that does things we need at the three spot.....
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3/14/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

i wouldn't trade Lee for Smith, though i understand why you might... the only way i trade Lee is for a franchise calibre talent on the rise... i think Josh will be a star, but not quite sure he'll be a guy who you can build a team AROUND.
as for the Jamal thing, Smith is not a guy who can create his own shot the way Jamal does, so unless you have him shooting the ball on spot ups & in transition, he's not a polished offensive threat... Jamal is impossible to guard 1 on 1... i'm not saying i'd rather have Jamal than Josh, but in terms of offensive game, Jamal is a much better scorer than Josh at this point.


read that sentence and tell me how it makes much sense. Are you saying you can't build a team around a "Star" player? this is why I don't understand why so many of you throw that word around with lesser than star type players...
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3/14/2007  2:52 PM
Ray Allen's a star player... would i build a team around him?
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3/14/2007  3:01 PM
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I think we're in great position as a franchise, to add that player that can put us over the top. In the next few years.

i was surprised to read this comment.

we're just one player and a few years away?

how do you see us getting a star player? who do we trade?

Who said it had to be a star in the sense that most people mean it. How about a VERY good swingman? There are LOTS of players that come out of the draft every year that perform at a high level, tho just below that of the superstars. Imagine a Kevin Martin type. We have a chance to draft someone like that. What i'm saying is that too often we think that the team is stuck and that's not true. How many GM's would like a David Lee right about now. People weren't saying that during the draft. Many wanted someone else with that pick. I also didn't mean to imply that we only need one player, but it would help to get the right guy to fill that need. I like Q, but he's not dynamic enough and his health is a problem.

We have a very nice C/F contingent. Curry, Lee, Frye, Jared and Balkman should develop as a group quite nicely. We have some good guards. But we're missing that SF who has that game teams fear. With that player, this team is a VERY potent inside/out team. Isiah is going to have to make some hard decisions this off season. Right now we still have some balance issues.

so kevin martin isn't a star? i'm not talking superstar, all-star, or franchise player- just star. he's arguably the best player on his team, 21 ppg scorer- i think that qualifies him. is eddy a star? but aside from semantics...

so you're saying we're one late-1st round draft pick from contending? i have to disagree there. adding one player to this team to get us "over the top"- your idea- he would have to be pretty darn nasty to get us to that level. we're not that bad, but IMO moving forward on the assumption that one player we can pick up in a routine fashion will get us "over the top" is being overly charitable to IT, ignores the flaws of our roster, and banks too much on the contributions of a non-marquee draft pick. this team has talent but will NOT contend just by adding a 15-20 pick the next few years.

you're also resisting showing any willingness to trade any of our players you like. i specifically asked. you have to give something up to get something man. especially if we're waiting for "that one player." i think we're adding and subtracting a good number of players away from contending.
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3/14/2007  3:11 PM
Posted by TMS:

Ray Allen's a star player... would i build a team around him?


really?

hmmmmmmm
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3/14/2007  3:18 PM
I think the term "Superstar" is used entirely to freely. There is maybe 8 or 10 guys in this league the are legitimate "Superstars" in this league. But first lets clearly define superstar basically guys who can turn a can a franchise into a Championship contender. Yes most likely they are surrounded by other very good players and they also probably have good coaches. At the end of the day these guys can completely revamp a Franchise.

In my opinion sure Carter, McGrady, KG, Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, Ray Allen, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd are all terrific players and any most organizations would be very fortunate to have these guys on their teams however if your looking for instant 360 talent its not these guys. All these guys are capable of big numbers and making incredible plays but they like that "Superstar" power to really take a team to the level of Elites.
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3/14/2007  3:25 PM
^^^ does anyone else differentiate between "superstar" and "star"? i do... that's what i'd call probably anyone who's in all-star contention. or the best player on their team. or a just plain very good player.

there are more kinds of player than "superstar" "scrub" and everyone in between.
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3/14/2007  3:33 PM
I guess its like the term supermodel, since every model describes herself as one, so maybe smith will just be an all-star
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3/14/2007  3:35 PM
and there isn't one player in the nba that can take there team to elite with average talent around them so how to do you classify....

Marion and Amare without nash win about 43 games, so in reality who is a superstar in this league?
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3/14/2007  3:43 PM
Duncan, Dirk, Nash, and Shaq I think can take an averaged talented team to an elite level.
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3/14/2007  3:44 PM
With Isiah's extension in place, this is a moot point. (P)MS...we all know that you absolutely LOATHE certain players (ahem, Jamal and Eddy...maybe a few others). Bottom line is that if Isiah is here, then the Eddy-centric team will continue.

Marbury will eventually expire and until the injuries, he was playing a supporting role.

I like Q, but his back issues are not going to get better, rendering him immoveable. But having Q around aint so bad.

Jeffries also has a bad contract. Though, I would trade him back to Wash for Etan Thomas (he can play D and rebound, providing support for Eddy)

Francis will be bought out. Maybe Jerome James too.

I could see Malik being used as an exp. deal or in a package to take on a player with more talent but more years on his deal.

Most speculate that the three we are committed to are Curry, Jamal and Lee. Everyone else is fair game.

So rather than comparing, ripping into, and spewing hate to our players, ACCEPT and MOVE ON.

Resolutions will come in the form of packaging Frye & Nate in two separate deals or as one deal with Malik being the beefier contract. Francis can be traded with one or both. A buyout is more likely.

In the long term, Eddy, Crawford, Jared, Lee and Q will be here.

We need about 2 or three pieces to actually have some type of sustained success.

Eddy has had success with vet PF's like Antonio Davis, even Malik...this is where KT could have been useful...maybe someone like a Brian Skinner or Kenny Thomas would do. Skinner is a UFA (for PART of the MLE).

Vet PG/young-ish pass first PG...Andre Miller would be great but Philly isnt giving him up. Marbs is still here too for another 2 yrs...maybe someone like a Damon Stoudmire or Chucky Atkins. We should also probably use a draft pick on a PG as well.

Small Forward...definitely more stud-ish rather than the bland suggestions above...LBJ would be nice but it aint happening...Rashard Lewis is nice but he's going to go to Orlando or Charlotte...Gerald Wallace would be awesome...if I had to think upside, yeah Josh Childress may be that guy and I think we could have him for Frye.
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3/14/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

^^^ does anyone else differentiate between "superstar" and "star"? i do... that's what i'd call probably anyone who's in all-star contention. or the best player on their team. or a just plain very good player.

there are more kinds of player than "superstar" "scrub" and everyone in between.

exactly... i never called Josh Smith a superstar... i only reserve that term for franchise calibre players like Lebron, Kobe, etc... i said Josh would become a star player, & there's really no reason for me not to believe it if you've watched this kid play.
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3/14/2007  3:59 PM
Posted by tkf:
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Ray Allen's a star player... would i build a team around him?


really?

hmmmmmmm

what does that mean? you don't think he's a star player or you think he's worthy of building a franchise around?
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