extension in spite of himself (powell)
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Bonn1997
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3/13/2007 6:35 PM
Posted by eViL:Posted by Bonn1997:Posted by eViL:? You can't seriously be arguing that the winning % in the Brown year was comparable to the winning percentage in the other Isiah years. Even I'm not that harsh on Isiah. The majority of the amount the Knicks were below .500 by in your first post (36 of 59) was due to the Brown year. 59 below .500 over 4 years averages out to FIFTEEN games sub .500 annually. 23 over over 3 years is 7 annually (which is around where I think most GMs under Dolan would be).Posted by oohah:Posted by eViL:Posted by TMS: |
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eViL
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3/13/2007 6:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997: The basic point was that Lenny Wilkens was only one game under .500 and he was fired. Compare that to the Isiah's record with LB included or without and the result is the same. Isiah's performance over the span of his tenure has been worse and despite that he gets an extension. [Edited by - eViL on 03-13-2007 6:39 PM] check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
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kam77
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3/14/2007 2:04 AM
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Lenny is not coaching anywhere else is he? Didn't he lose his job after presiding over a horrific 10 game losing streak or somesuch? Weren't players unmotivated by the old guy? JJ1 was a bad signing in the number of years. Since we had no C at the time I would've signed JJ to 3 years max, and i said so at the time. For 5 mil, 3 years, it wasn't going to matter either way. Now we're stuck with him for a few more seasons. Isiah gets no pass from me on his MLE deals. I'm hoping the JJ2 signing works out better longterm and reserving judgment for now. [Edited by - kam77 on 03-14-2007 02:04 AM] lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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oohah
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3/14/2007 2:35 AM
Posted by eViL:Posted by oohah:Posted by eViL:Posted by TMS: Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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oohah
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3/14/2007 3:05 AM
Posted by kam77: Personally, I think Lenny did a very good job, going .500 over his tenure, especially considering it included the worst month in Knicks history. With that month you would have figured he would have a 2005-2006 type of record. The team was in total upheaval at the time, but he did his best. The way he was treated by Isiah and Dolan was despicable, same thing with Chaney. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Bonn1997
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3/14/2007 7:47 AM
Posted by eViL:I agree with that. I don't think it's fair when people use the LB year to compare the Layden and Isiah W/L totals and conclude that Isiah was worse than Layden, though.Posted by Bonn1997: |
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TMS
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3/14/2007 9:26 AM
Posted by kam77: the absolute most any team should pay for a career 5 & 4 player w/no real upside should be the LLE... i puked in my mouth when i heard they'd given him $5 mil per, regardless of the amount of years. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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arkrud
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3/14/2007 10:26 AM
I think having guys like Lenny, LB, Isiah, etc. in this organization is logical.
Can you imagine Zen Master, Pop, Nelson, Ralleys, even Addelman to sit in this mess... Oranges to Oranges... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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MS
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3/14/2007 10:58 AM
Isiah is just plain dumb thats why i can't be excited about the future of the team.....and when you have an owner that extends his gm that created the highest payroll in the league its hard to be optimistic
Look around the League, what is the most valuable attribute of a player you want on your bench, heart which goes with hustle... How do you do a better job, its simple, and I could do it. You don't need the highest paid player at every position on your roster, nearly. Knicks: 139 million in contracts Ask yourself how many wins each player your looking to bring can deliver on his own, or in the team concept Jerome James (1 win at best) 5.4 this year 6.6 in the last year of his deal\ Jared Jefferies (1-3 wins at best)5.2 now 6.8 in the last year, also included a trade kicker Crawford (Can't do it because he loses more than he wins for you) Please take into account we had to pay Jerome Williams to get him, so in reality you are paying him 13million a year and he is too inconsistent to be a starter Q: you have to love him, however with a bad back and three more years on his contract was adding 32 million a good idea, is he putting you over the top probably not Francise: 15 mil, 16mil, 17mil, you have to be kidding its a firable offense.... Curry and Marbury you want to take a chance ok, i can live with that something needed to be done.... Rose: Do we need to be paying him 14 million the next two years, did we need to pay 30 million in order to get the 29th and 30th picks, everyone loves this because we got 30 million, but people are you ****ing serious Mo Taylor (O) He is finishing up 9million this year So when I am looking at this team do I really think I could have constructed a better team, yes without question, tell me how bright the future is we have 29 wins and 48 more million invested than any other team, and are paying two coaches 25 million dollars, so should Isiah have been fired, if you say no you need to look at the facts.... Fill your needs for the short term, this is something GMs like McChale and Knight don't do either Mikki Moore (1mil) Darrel Armstrong 1 mill Ariza 7mil over 3years Stevenson 2mill for 2 Devon George 4 mill for 2 (much better than jeff) AJohnson 2mill You just need to make cost effective signings, Cato would make a very nice contribution for 1 million for his contract, players Isiah adds don't produce wins and its killing the team because is locking them in |
extension in spite of himself (powell)