TrueBlue - I challenge you to a duel with pistols at twenty paces.

Oh by the way, my opinion on the salary cap was rendered yesterday. Since you missed it, here is a copy for your reading pleasure:


Bonn1997 - if you look at the history of the Knicks franchise, dating back to the days of Gulf+Western, the objective has NEVER been to manage salaries. The Knicks have been top-bidder for players like Bob McAdoo, Truck Robinson, George McGinnis (to a league penalty), Kiki, Paul Westphal, Spencer Haywood...
the list is infinite

The corporate philosophy was always to maximize the advantages of having cash reserves deeper than Lake Tahoe. The resentment for those riches created animosity around the league long before Isiah Thomas.

Gulf+Westerm, Sonny Werblin and Dolan all understood that in order to remain competitive and maintain headlines and attention in competition for the NY entertainment dollar, you gotta make a splash.

They pursued the big names that would look good on Broadway.

Was it the correct philosophy to produce a champion? Obviously not. The bright moments of the Ewing years were tempered with coach and front office turnover... and the reliance on spending cash to fill holes, over having a long range strategy.

Note how quickly, without the continuity of philosophy, the Knicks fell apart when Ewing was shown the door.

All I am suggesting, as my my rembee suggests, is that continuity (with young players like Frye, Crawford, Curry, Collins, Balkman and David Lee) is a good thing. That continuity, starting with young players who have skillz, not the dreck the Knicks have historically drafted...

...is a good thing.

where the franchise goes from here is anyone's guess.

But if one takes the blinders of resentment off and takes a fact-based look at this season's month-to-month trends...

and the noble idea these guys fight back whenever they have been left for dead... like after the Denver fight or after the sad month of November or after the heartbreaking Seattle loss...

...how can one ONLY bitch and moan (on a daily basis) about the salary cap?

For the reading impaired: Read my lips TB, the Knicks never have been, and never will be, under the salary cap

Enjoy The Ride

TrueBlue - hold up, I almost forgot, just one more thing...

"It ain't my money"

Posted by misterearl:

TrueBlue - I challenge you to a duel with pistols at twenty paces.

Oh by the way, my opinion on the salary cap was rendered yesterday. Since you missed it, here is a copy for your reading pleasure:


Bonn1997 - if you look at the history of the Knicks franchise, dating back to the days of Gulf+Western, the objective has NEVER been to manage salaries. The Knicks have been top-bidder for players like Bob McAdoo, Truck Robinson, George McGinnis (to a league penalty), Kiki, Paul Westphal, Spencer Haywood...
the list is infinite

The corporate philosophy was always to maximize the advantages of having cash reserves deeper than Lake Tahoe. The resentment for those riches created animosity around the league long before Isiah Thomas.

Gulf+Westerm, Sonny Werblin and Dolan all understood that in order to remain competitive and maintain headlines and attention in competition for the NY entertainment dollar, you gotta make a splash.

They pursued the big names that would look good on Broadway.

Was it the correct philosophy to produce a champion? Obviously not. The bright moments of the Ewing years were tempered with coach and front office turnover... and the reliance on spending cash to fill holes, over having a long range strategy.

Note how quickly, without the continuity of philosophy, the Knicks fell apart when Ewing was shown the door.

All I am suggesting, as my my rembee suggests, is that continuity (with young players like Frye, Crawford, Curry, Collins, Balkman and David Lee) is a good thing. That continuity, starting with young players who have skillz, not the dreck the Knicks have historically drafted...

...is a good thing.

where the franchise goes from here is anyone's guess.

But if one takes the blinders of resentment off and takes a fact-based look at this season's month-to-month trends...

and the noble idea these guys fight back whenever they have been left for dead... like after the Denver fight or after the sad month of November or after the heartbreaking Seattle loss...

...how can one ONLY bitch and moan (on a daily basis) about the salary cap?

For the reading impaired: Read my lips TB, the Knicks never have been, and never will be, under the salary capEnjoy The Ride

Who established the rule that responsible fiscal spending meant you have to be under the cap?


How about having enough cushion if over the cap that when signing an MLE player, or making a trade to take on more salary(to acquire assets) doesn't push the team over the luxury tax. How about breaking the consecutive yrs streak of being over the luxury tax. The Lake Tahoe reference implies there are no financial boundaries, therefore Shandon Anderson and Allan Houston's contract being off the cap does not help and have no bearing of assisting Dolan in his financial responsibility you NITSH##. The paremeters don't change other than the fact he's lighting less money on fire with a match. You also could have acquired similar talent(Frye, Lee, Nate, Mardy,) if the Knicks would have just hit rock bottom by letting the salary dwindle and increased their chances moreso of landing a Lottery Franchise talent Post Ewing Era. Not to mention possibly being a younger more talented team.


So........


Misterearl, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-13-2007 10:08 AM]

^what was the team event last night?

didn't miss anything to be honest

Posted by MS:

didn't miss anything to be honest

They don't care MS seriously.


Cut Marbury some slack though, basketball is just a hobby and his shoesalesman gig can take it's toll on a player.


Jeffries' fish lips need 24/7 Carmex care so I understand why he left abruptly.


No need to have Eddy there so fans can see him down 6 #8 and #9 on the Mcdonal's menu.


This team has peaked and a lot of fans can't quite seem to understand this.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-13-2007 09:11 AM]

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by MS:

Anyone that is excited about the prospect of Eddy and Jamal growing together, its not only dumb, but you can pretty much count on this team being a 7-8 for the next 10 years.

I love these thread commending ignorant fans that have their blinders on, unfortunately yesterday was one of the worst days in franchise history. This team is run by perhaps the worst owner in all of sports. He can't even make an announcement at the right time. And just for the record what person in their right mind is excited about 45 extra million on top of the cap which actually costs the team 90 million, for a team that hasn't reached its win total of three years ago, is under .500 capped out, and now our chubby center feels relief and that there is pressure off. You want to go to war the next ten years with a player that thinks the pressure is off, in the thick of a playoff race.

I mean you see positives in this season fine, we are playing together the players actually care (big ****ing deal!) Eddy is having his worst all around season of his career but his scoring numbers are up and he commands a double team and doesn't know how to pass out of it. DLee is a stud, Balkman could be a player, Frye and Crawford have been terrible, nate is out of the rotation, jj2 is here to stay and is learning how to shoot correctly after 6 years in the nba, q god bless him is missing games at 26 with a bad back on a consistent basis, but is effective shooting and rebounding when he is out there and our pg finally decided to stop being a child and play ball and save his legacy. Or other pg is an even bigger baby and has been faking an injury becasue he was unhappy about his playing time, and is now healed?

This teams sense of entitlement is disgraceful you should have seen the players that actually showed up last night at the team event. Surprise, surprise the only one with remote class was DLee. Marbury showed up an hour late, Francis balled at the last minute, jefferies got up and left half way through, no sign of balkman, crawford, eddy, malik, jerome, q, nate had all to do to be friendly. We need to turn over this team immedialty and bring in players that get what it means to be a knicks

Why not choose another team to root for bro, why constanly bashing your head against a wall. Some of you guys remind me of that guy in the Major League movies

[Edited by - buddapaw on 03-13-2007 09:40 AM]

Not sure what you are trying to say...Are you saying just always blindly support what your team does? Just accept horrendous management, and never criticize it?

I'm really beginning to think that the only ones who genuinely care about this team are the ones who are most critical. Everyone else just sort of goes along with it all because, well, they're our beloved Orange and Blue!!

Accept the fact that Dolan has lowered the standards for this franchise to obscene levels, and that pretty much sucks.

Posted by kam77:
we support the team in spite of Dolan, knowing full well he's the problem but we gotta root for our team anyway and root for the guys who have to work for that idiot.

Well said.

eVilL.

Think about if you were paying thousands of dollars to line Dolan's pockets

Posted by misterearl:

TrueBlue - I challenge you to a duel with pistols at twenty paces.

Oh by the way, my opinion on the salary cap was rendered yesterday. Since you missed it, here is a copy for your reading pleasure:


Bonn1997 - if you look at the history of the Knicks franchise, dating back to the days of Gulf+Western, the objective has NEVER been to manage salaries. The Knicks have been top-bidder for players like Bob McAdoo, Truck Robinson, George McGinnis (to a league penalty), Kiki, Paul Westphal, Spencer Haywood...
the list is infinite

The corporate philosophy was always to maximize the advantages of having cash reserves deeper than Lake Tahoe. The resentment for those riches created animosity around the league long before Isiah Thomas.

Gulf+Westerm, Sonny Werblin and Dolan all understood that in order to remain competitive and maintain headlines and attention in competition for the NY entertainment dollar, you gotta make a splash.

They pursued the big names that would look good on Broadway.

Was it the correct philosophy to produce a champion? Obviously not. The bright moments of the Ewing years were tempered with coach and front office turnover... and the reliance on spending cash to fill holes, over having a long range strategy.

Note how quickly, without the continuity of philosophy, the Knicks fell apart when Ewing was shown the door.

All I am suggesting, as my my rembee suggests, is that continuity (with young players like Frye, Crawford, Curry, Collins, Balkman and David Lee) is a good thing. That continuity, starting with young players who have skillz, not the dreck the Knicks have historically drafted...

...is a good thing.

where the franchise goes from here is anyone's guess.

But if one takes the blinders of resentment off and takes a fact-based look at this season's month-to-month trends...

and the noble idea these guys fight back whenever they have been left for dead... like after the Denver fight or after the sad month of November or after the heartbreaking Seattle loss...

...how can one ONLY bitch and moan (on a daily basis) about the salary cap?

For the reading impaired: Read my lips TB, the Knicks never have been, and never will be, under the salary cap

Enjoy The Ride

And the same obvious response that was given yesterday was that your opinion about the salary cap is to bring up players that were acquired prior to the salary cap being in existence. More illogical nonsense from misterearl.

So misterearl, if the Knicks have never been, and never will be, under the salary cap (complete fabrication by the way), then why do you think getting Anderson and Houston off the cap "should help"?

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-13-2007 10:41 AM]

I think its human nature that if you pay thousands of dollars to something, and it dissapoints you, you think you have the right to be more critical and thus spew your venom.

Problem is, the haters spew their venom on other fans, calling them delusional. This guy MS for instance... he's probably a way bigger jerk than Dolan is. Every day he insults other fans of the Knicks. Isles as well.

Let me ask you, why is it the haters are such jerks?