Posted by sebstar:

Posted by djsunyc:

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Posted by fishmike:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal

hiring coaches hasnt been a real strong point either. His drafts have been average, his trades always help the other team more and his management of the cap has been a disaster. Also the teams before him won more and played harder, but he got an extension from the same guy that gave Layden an extension for resigning Houston to a $100mm contract.

Take it for what its worth

These are just circular arguments that have been buried, dug up, and buried again. The fact that you describe his drafting efforts as "average" just lets me know that you have allowed to myopia to completely colonize your thoughts in regards to the knicks.

He didnt enter into an idyllic situation, in terms of cap or roster strength and nobody in their right mind thought that last year would produce a 23 win season which set this franchise back a few steps. I think there is an obvious room for improvement in many areas, but he is smart, aggressive, and hopefully has learned from his mistakes and is able to tap into his championship background in terms of further retooling the roster. We are probably one move away from being a top half EC team. I try not to be as emotional about Zeke as others.

the knicks had the #8 pick overall in the 2005 draft. the highest pick we've had and USED in about 20+ years. now it looks like that player doesn't have a spot on this team. that's a big red flag on isiah's ny knick draft resume.

Typical NY impatience. Frye was a strong ROY candidate last year, has a sophomore slump ( not even an exaggerated one at that) and we're already throwing him in the discard pile. He can obviously play at this level, he just needs to further refine his game and adjust to NBA physicality. He is not a Mike Sweetney type bust.

i don't buy into "sophomore slumps." if the guy is going to be a really good player, a lottery caliber player, a guy that isiah said he would take #1 overall, then why is he having a sophomore slump?

Posted by nixluva:

Frye is the kind of guy that you just need to be patient with. I guarantee you that if you give up on him early he'll blossom somewhere else. It's all mental with him. Isiah was right about Ariza too and now he's starting to come along just fine. To try and make it sound like he's not a SUPERIOR drafter is ridiculous. His track record is too strong.

The money is about the biggest thing anyone can hold against him. The record argument is stupid. If we had backed up the truck and tried to start over the record would still stink and we have no guarantee that the team would be any better off. That's just a fantasy. Look at the teams who've had constant high draft picks and most of them aren't any better off, some are worse than we are. So don't use that garbage as an argument.

I say give Isiah more time to refine this roster and develop the talent and we'll see this team continue to improve.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal

hiring coaches hasnt been a real strong point either. His drafts have been average, his trades always help the other team more and his management of the cap has been a disaster. Also the teams before him won more and played harder, but he got an extension from the same guy that gave Layden an extension for resigning Houston to a $100mm contract.

Take it for what its worth

These are just circular arguments that have been buried, dug up, and buried again. The fact that you describe his drafting efforts as "average" just lets me know that you have allowed to myopia to completely colonize your thoughts in regards to the knicks.

He didnt enter into an idyllic situation, in terms of cap or roster strength and nobody in their right mind thought that last year would produce a 23 win season which set this franchise back a few steps. I think there is an obvious room for improvement in many areas, but he is smart, aggressive, and hopefully has learned from his mistakes and is able to tap into his championship background in terms of further retooling the roster. We are probably one move away from being a top half EC team. I try not to be as emotional about Zeke as others.

the knicks had the #8 pick overall in the 2005 draft. the highest pick we've had and USED in about 20+ years. now it looks like that player doesn't have a spot on this team. that's a big red flag on isiah's ny knick draft resume.

Typical NY impatience. Frye was a strong ROY candidate last year, has a sophomore slump ( not even an exaggerated one at that) and we're already throwing him in the discard pile. He can obviously play at this level, he just needs to further refine his game and adjust to NBA physicality. He is not a Mike Sweetney type bust.

i don't buy into "sophomore slumps." if the guy is going to be a really good player, a lottery caliber player, a guy that isiah said he would take #1 overall, then why is he having a sophomore slump?

I think the theory is a tangible one, its happened too often for it not to be one. Player is new, performs well, teams adjust to said players weaknesses and strengths and the player in question needs to adjust in kind. The NBA is no joke. The question you have to ask is Frye the player that dominated for stretches last year, or is he the player that has struggled at times this year?

Nobody knows the answer yet, however if people are still willing to wait on Darko, and other recent picks, then I think we should apply a little patience to Frye. Again, its not like Frye CANT PLAY at this level.

The Frye pick is definitely not an indictment on Isiah. It was a justifiable selection.

Posted by MS:

Actually there is nothing typicl about watching the second softest player in the league at 6'11 next to jefferies.....

Frye has not grabbed 10 rebounds yet this season, he hardly ever comes up with a big shot block, and when was the last time you say him actually dunk with someone near him....

Positives: Has good outside range and can knock down the wide open jumper

Negatives: Pretty much everything else i am not sure if you watch him, he has weak hands slow feet, is very weak inside not a strong rebounder and doesn't have the ability to get his own shot, he doesn't use his body well in the post too often leaning into players giving them an easy oppurunity for the stop.....

His track record is too strong? Damon turned into a solid yet trouble point guard, mcgrady was an allstar and a great selection, camby was ok second pick, but drafted after him were Nash, Kobe, Marbury, Allen, Peja, etc loaded draft.

He gave up on Ariza didn't value the kid enough to give him 2 million to jefferies 5......He isn't a draft genius lets be honest...

I would rather work with nate than crawford to be honest......

Who can you move frye for?