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oohah
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3/9/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by MS:

Don't see what your talking about, its his 3rd year in the league and he plays hard and works on his game something the knicks don't do aside from d lee

Past two years
3.6fga 7.6 48.0% 10.8pts
6.9fga 13.8 49.6% 21.4pts

He is shooting it 14 times a game and is averaging 21pts, James is 30 years old is a journyman and is only 6'2 and is a 10pt scorer, Martin 6'7 24 years old.....

Again, you are trying to compare the players games and ages to each other. I am not. So why don't we just take James out of the equation? I am saying it would be just like the Knicks to get a relatively unknown guy having a nice season and then he falls back to earth and lands with a thud. Do you see what I am saying?

But I think I get your point, you like Kevin Martin.

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3/9/2007  12:59 PM
same as josh howard or gerald wallace
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3/9/2007  1:30 PM
Posted by MS:

same as josh howard or gerald wallace

Josh Howard ACC player of the year? Gerald Wallace, McDonald's All-American, all-Freshman SEC, who then left for the pros after 1 year of college?

Those guys are as unheralded as Kevin Martin, Western Carolina alum?

The comparison is not apt. Again, I understand that you like Martin, as do I.

I'm just saying that bringing him in to be the starting SG is the kind of move that has backfired on the Knicks for the past 15 years.

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3/9/2007  1:31 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by MS:

same as josh howard or gerald wallace

Josh Howard ACC player of the year? Gerald Wallace, McDonald's All-American, all-Freshman SEC, who then left for the pros after 1 year of college?

Those guys are as unheralded as Kevin Martin, Western Carolina alum?

The comparison is not apt. Again, I understand that you like Martin, as do I.

I'm just saying that bringing him in to be the starting SG is the kind of move that has backfired on the Knicks for the past 15 years.

oohah

we are preconditioned to believe trades or acquisitions made, for the most part, won't work out. no player acquired since 2001 have helped this team post a .500 record or better.
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3/9/2007  1:33 PM
we are preconditioned to believe trades or acquisitions made, for the most part, won't work out. no player acquired since 2001 have helped this team post a .500 record or better.

Yup.

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3/9/2007  1:54 PM
I don't give a **** where a player comes from you look at progression from their games if you are going to make a comparison, you win the ACC player of the year and you go 29 in the draft does that matter

Josh Howard Year 2 & 3 (29th Pick)
12.6pts 6.3rbs 47%
15.6pts 6.3rbs 47%

Kevin Martin Year 2 & 3 (26th Pick)
10.8pts 48%
21.4pts 49%

Wallace given the mintues his numbers went up just like the two guys above, he should have been an all-star this year and he was the third option on the kings, Michael Redd was pretty off the radar too. The comparison is plenty apt dude, Von Wafer was a Mc All American as was Corlean Young, as are a lot of guys. McRoberts was a Mc All and goes to Duke is he going to be a good pro, is Hansbrough, probably not, so again it doesn't matter where you started its how hard you have been working on your game and if your game is showing improvement every year which all three players have
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3/9/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by MS:

I don't give a **** where a player comes from you look at progression from their games if you are going to make a comparison, you win the ACC player of the year and you go 29 in the draft does that matter

Josh Howard Year 2 & 3 (29th Pick)
12.6pts 6.3rbs 47%
15.6pts 6.3rbs 47%

Kevin Martin Year 2 & 3 (26th Pick)
10.8pts 48%
21.4pts 49%

Wallace given the mintues his numbers went up just like the two guys above, he should have been an all-star this year and he was the third option on the kings, Michael Redd was pretty off the radar too. The comparison is plenty apt dude, Von Wafer was a Mc All American as was Corlean Young, as are a lot of guys. McRoberts was a Mc All and goes to Duke is he going to be a good pro, is Hansbrough, probably not, so again it doesn't matter where you started its how hard you have been working on your game and if your game is showing improvement every year which all three players have

Yes, I get it. You like Kevin Martin.

Hey! Mike James was off the radar too.

Now back to my original point, which has nothing to do with any reply you've made to any post of mine: Signing an unheralded player having a great year on a bad team, then having him never perform that well ever again in his career, is classic Knicks.

Okay, now tell me again how much you like KM since you are not going to reply to what I posted.

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3/9/2007  2:12 PM
Who have the knicks signed that was ever coming off an unheralded year playing great on a bad team....

JJ1, JJ2, Anderson, Eisley, Spoon? We never signed anyone having a great year on a bad team. Mike James is 6 years old and is a combo guard that needs to launch and doesn't score in the flow of the offense, which is why i brought up the other two guys.....
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3/9/2007  2:26 PM
Who have the knicks signed that was ever coming off an unheralded year playing great on a bad team....

JJ1, JJ2, Anderson, Eisley, Spoon? We never signed anyone having a great year on a bad team. Mike James is 6 years old and is a combo guard that needs to launch and doesn't score in the flow of the offense, which is why i brought up the other two guys.....

Childs is the best example, and Eisley isn't bad either, but you're right about one thing: Most of the guys the Knicks have signed coming off of very good years on bad teams have been heralded as opposed to unheralded.

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All I am saying is this: If we sign some guy to long-term money at SG, he needs to be a battle tested proven vet.

Ray Allen fits the description, but unfortunately he may be crumbling due to injuries soon, and signing guys like that is classic Knicks too.

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3/9/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by MS:

same as josh howard or gerald wallace

Josh Howard ACC player of the year? Gerald Wallace, McDonald's All-American, all-Freshman SEC, who then left for the pros after 1 year of college?

Those guys are as unheralded as Kevin Martin, Western Carolina alum?

The comparison is not apt. Again, I understand that you like Martin, as do I.

I'm just saying that bringing him in to be the starting SG is the kind of move that has backfired on the Knicks for the past 15 years.

oohah

A type of move that we've been doing for the past 15 years that has backfired? In what way, shape or form? He's talented, young, SMART, poised, plays both ways, and is healthy. He's getting better and better by the minute. What evidence shows you he'll backfire on us? He is an all star in the making and would help the team tremendously.
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3/9/2007  3:24 PM
I would even give them channing and jamal for him along with nate, we need to get player off this team in a hurry, and i don't think any mentioned help us win. The King will not give him up though he is their one bright spot, especially with artest out and bibby looking slower than ever.

The more minutes you can give to role players on this team the better, he would be perfect for this team, and perfect for eddy
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3/9/2007  3:36 PM
A type of move that we've been doing for the past 15 years that has backfired? In what way, shape or form? He's talented, young, SMART, poised, plays both ways, and is healthy. He's getting better and better by the minute. What evidence shows you he'll backfire on us? He is an all star in the making and would help the team tremendously.


Not backfire. I just don't think he is the SG of the future to take this team to a better place. He would probably come here, be a good player, but just not good enough to make the team much better, kind of like the way things are going in Sac now. Then he would be torn to pieces by the NY fans who had put unrealistic expectations on him.

For a long term deal, I'm looking for a shooting guard to set us apart, not just a good player.

But you and MS think he is that player. Fine, I hope he is if we can land him. And if he is simply good while he plays hard and tries his best, and the team is again mediocre, I hope he isn't killed by the guys who thought he was the future.

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3/9/2007  3:40 PM
First off, I'm the type of guy who doesn't like to rely on one player, kinda like how we're currently doing it with Curry and Marbury. I'm just saying that Martin is a great piece b/c he can shoot from anywhere on the court, unselfishly and he plays on both ends of the floor, and can score very efficiently. He would obviously improve the team. He alone, make us a contender? Obviously not. Again, that's why I say you build a team, not build a team around 1 player.
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3/9/2007  3:50 PM
He is a hard worker, we don't have hard workers starting right now, he two inches taller than crawford, scores in the flow of the offense and shoots a very high percentage, i think if your shooting almost 50% from the field with no big man drawing doubles eddy could go one on one more often which would make us a contender if eddy improved his d
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3/9/2007  4:12 PM
Posted by MS:

He is a hard worker, we don't have hard workers starting right now, he two inches taller than crawford, scores in the flow of the offense and shoots a very high percentage, i think if your shooting almost 50% from the field with no big man drawing doubles eddy could go one on one more often which would make us a contender if eddy improved his d

I like K Martin better than Crawford too. I just don't want to sign him long-term until he can prove he can thrive here like he has in Sac.

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3/9/2007  4:13 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by MS:

He is a hard worker, we don't have hard workers starting right now, he two inches taller than crawford, scores in the flow of the offense and shoots a very high percentage, i think if your shooting almost 50% from the field with no big man drawing doubles eddy could go one on one more often which would make us a contender if eddy improved his d

I like K Martin better than Crawford too. I just don't want to sign him long-term until he can prove he can thrive here like he has in Sac.

oohah

the only way you get guys here to prove their worth before signing them long term is by drafting them.
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3/9/2007  4:18 PM
the only way you get guys here to prove their worth before signing them long term is by drafting them.

Starks, Mason, Camby(We coulda signed him long-term.)? You're right for the most part but that is why I think K Martin would be a big risk. If we are going to sign someone long-term I want a battle-tested player.

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3/9/2007  4:30 PM
If Isiah isn't interested, I am signing on the dotted line, if you get better ala 14shots in the flow of the offense averaging 21pts in your third year in the league i am signing you long term. Your shooting it at 50% i am signing you.

If your a 40% with no bball iq and i have to sign you to a 7 year deal, use the midlevel as a favor to your agent and take back jerome williams improving someones cap room in the conference i laugh when someone tells me a gm would be dumb enough to do that.....

Hard workers make it in this league......we should be so lucky to sign the kid, i doubt hes out partying his ass off like all those on the radar people, or the entire knick team
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3/9/2007  4:52 PM
i doubt hes out partying his ass off like all those on the radar people

Wait until he gets to the Party capital of the world, NYC!

Even David Lee enjoys himself around town in NYC from my understanding. Young, Rich and ready for the ladies....

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3/9/2007  7:05 PM
Posted by islesfan:

What I love about him is how even though he's averaging over 21 points a game, he doesn't talk like he's the man and how it's his team and should have been an all star and how it's HIS team...

He gets his points in the flow of the team's offense and hits big shots at the end of games.

Gotta like him.

I really like the kids game, but how many big shots has he really hit? with the record his team has, It can't be many...
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