Posted by TMS:

btw, i'm not saying Curry is a franchise player... just don't get this notion that a franchise player will just by default carry his team to the postseason.

A franchise player will find ways to help his team even if he's not scoring. I think even an average NBA starter should be able to do that actually.
I agree with your other comment about Jim Jackson. I was actually thinking the same thing last night.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

btw, i'm not saying Curry is a franchise player... just don't get this notion that a franchise player will just by default carry his team to the postseason.

A franchise player will find ways to help his team even if he's not scoring. I think even an average NBA starter should be able to do that actually.

ideally they should, yes... but that isn't always the case... take a guy like Michael Redd for example... he doesn't do anything else well other than score (which he does very well obviously)... same goes for Gilbert Arenas... these guys' teams live & die w/their ability to put the ball in the basket first & foremost... they don't carry their teams to victory w/their defensive skills, or their passing ability, or their leadership intangibles... so unless they're scoring, they're not really helping their respective teams other than acting as a decoy on the court, which Eddy Curry in effect does by making teams double down on him in the post & opening scoring opportunities for his teammates... the fact that guys like Jefferies, Balkman, Turd, etc. are unable to hit those open shots is due to their own weaknesses as players... to hold Curry liable for not making guys like that better is unfair, don't you think?

again, i don't think Eddy is a franchise player at this point, but he can turn into one if you get the right type of complementary players to put around him IMO.

Anyone else see the importance of a PG that can run the offense and get the ball to the big man. Maybe a young PG that can grow with Eddie and learn his habits over the next few years and learn the best ways and times to get him involved? Sounds like a good idea to me. It is imperative that we start focusing on finding a PG that can grow with Eddie. Some saw it months ago and some will see it as time passes by. Kind of like when we needed a consistent jumpshooter for Pat.

No doubt that Eddie will rebound(meaning bounce back, because we know he doesn't rebound) once Nate and DAvid are back. David will punish teams that double off him by hitting the offensive boards. And Nate gives us another outside shooter to open up the floor. Yet another obvious thing we need to target next year.

Curry is only as good as his team's willingness and ability to get the ball to him 5 feet from the basket almost every time down the floor.

He offers absolutely nothing else. Notice his defense is so pathetic that Isiah won't allow him to stay in at the end of games.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

btw, i'm not saying Curry is a franchise player... just don't get this notion that a franchise player will just by default carry his team to the postseason.

A franchise player will find ways to help his team even if he's not scoring. I think even an average NBA starter should be able to do that actually.

ideally they should, yes... but that isn't always the case... take a guy like Michael Redd for example... he doesn't do anything else well other than score (which he does very well obviously)... same goes for Gilbert Arenas... these guys' teams live & die w/their ability to put the ball in the basket first & foremost... they don't carry their teams to victory w/their defensive skills, or their passing ability, or their leadership intangibles... so unless they're scoring, they're not really helping their respective teams other than acting as a decoy on the court, which Eddy Curry in effect does by making teams double down on him in the post & opening scoring opportunities for his teammates... the fact that guys like Jefferies, Balkman, Turd, etc. are unable to hit those open shots is due to their own weaknesses as players... to hold Curry liable for not making guys like that better is unfair, don't you think?

again, i don't think Eddy is a franchise player at this point, but he can turn into one if you get the right type of complementary players to put around him IMO.

Arenas gets a lot of assists, rebounds, steals. He helps his team in many ways. Redd I would say is average in rebounding, passing, and defense. He doesn't help or hurt his team there.

completely disagree... Arenas gives you a little under 6 apg... that's not a lot for a guy who dominates the ball as much as he does... i'd expect a lot more, especially under your definition of a "franchise player" making his teammates better by doing things other than scoring... he does steal the ball, yes, i'll give you that, but he doesn't guard guys worth a damn.

& Redd being an average rebounder (3.6 rpg), passer (2.2 apg) & defender (disagree w/u on that btw, i think he's a pretty bad defender to be honest) really doesn't qualify him as a franchise player under your definition... unless he's scoring, he doesn't do much to help that team win games... Jamal gives the Knicks about double the assists that Redd's giving his team w/the same amount of rebounds, but you'd never confuse Jamal to be a franchise calibre player i'm sure.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-07-2007 12:57 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

btw, i'm not saying Curry is a franchise player... just don't get this notion that a franchise player will just by default carry his team to the postseason.

A franchise player will find ways to help his team even if he's not scoring. I think even an average NBA starter should be able to do that actually.

ideally they should, yes... but that isn't always the case... take a guy like Michael Redd for example... he doesn't do anything else well other than score (which he does very well obviously)... same goes for Gilbert Arenas... these guys' teams live & die w/their ability to put the ball in the basket first & foremost... they don't carry their teams to victory w/their defensive skills, or their passing ability, or their leadership intangibles... so unless they're scoring, they're not really helping their respective teams other than acting as a decoy on the court, which Eddy Curry in effect does by making teams double down on him in the post & opening scoring opportunities for his teammates... the fact that guys like Jefferies, Balkman, Turd, etc. are unable to hit those open shots is due to their own weaknesses as players... to hold Curry liable for not making guys like that better is unfair, don't you think?

again, i don't think Eddy is a franchise player at this point, but he can turn into one if you get the right type of complementary players to put around him IMO.

Arenas gets a lot of assists, rebounds, steals. He helps his team in many ways. Redd I would say is average in rebounding, passing, and defense. He doesn't help or hurt his team there.

completely disagree... Arenas gives you a little under 6 apg... that's not a lot for a guy who dominates the ball as much as he does... i'd expect a lot more, especially under your definition of a "franchise player" making his teammates better by doing things other than scoring... he does steal the ball, yes, i'll give you that, but he doesn't guard guys worth a damn.

& Redd being an average rebounder (3.6 rpg), passer (2.2 apg) & defender (disagree w/u on that btw, i think he's a pretty bad defender to be honest) really doesn't qualify him as a franchise player under your definition... unless he's scoring, he doesn't do much to help that team win games... Jamal gives the Knicks about double the assists that Redd's giving his team w/the same amount of rebounds, but you'd never confuse Jamal to be a franchise calibre player i'm sure.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-07-2007 12:57 PM]

I was just saying I think those guys have more well-rounded games than Curry does. By no means do I think they're franchise players. And I wouldn't give up what we gave up to get Eddy for either of those players, either.

Well Redd gets his teams wins and can carry a team, even if he doesn't but up big numbers in other departments.

they have 6 less wins than the Knicks this year... there goes that theory.

Posted by TMS:

Well Redd gets his teams wins and can carry a team, even if he doesn't but up big numbers in other departments.

they have 6 less wins than the Knicks this year... there goes that theory.

LMAO he's missed over a month of basketball, they went 3-17 without him. They are 19-22 with him= winning 46% which isn't good but they play in a much tougher division and have suffered oher major key injuries to players. When Lee went down the Knicks winning=43%. Redd is a 1-dimensional player but he is way better than Curry. There is no way as bad of a team the Knicks are that they go 3-17 if Curry misses 20gms. Knicks current winning=45%



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-07-2007 12:47 PM]

Posted by TMS:

They are 19-22 with him

wow... that's different then... he clearly makes them a much better team than the Knicks... what was i thinking?

19-22 in that division is 22-19 or better in this crap division. Before he went down they went 10-6 and were a .500 club. But you didn't even know he was hurt so your cabbage was faulty there Son!