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mythfaze
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3/7/2007  6:50 AM
Posted by nixluva:

AGAIN! If Steph had missed that 1st one, then I could say he choked or if he really bricked the 2nd one, but he didn't. You guys are barking up the wrong tree with this. I think people tend to forget who Steph is. He's not a choker. He's been a clutch player in the past and that's been documented.

"Steph was huge," Suns coach Frank Johnson says afterward with requisite amazement. "He wouldn't allow us to lose."

"Most importantly, in his second season with the Suns, Marbury has pulled this preseason lottery lock into playoff contention with hard-nosed play and solid team leadership. Simply put, there's not a point guard in the game who's outplaying him. And Marbury's clutch-time performance--measured by the NBA as production in the last two minutes of games and in overtime--has been among the best in the business all season long."

www.findarticles.com/p/ar...i_99848989

That's great. Don't care about his past at the moment - I believe the only relevant thing is last night's game.

How did he not choke? Yes, he went ahead and played an amazing fourth quarter. He had a chance to win the game, and he couldn't do it. Who the hell cares if it was a brick or a rim out?

Do we proportionately feel better about losses now depending on how far down the winning shot was before it bounced out?

How can you be serious about saying "well, since he didn't miss it horribly... he didn't choke"

That's ridiculous.

"He's not a chocker... that's been documented"

Are you seriously trying to say based on someone's past reputation it is impossible for them to not live up to it every single time?

If someone is a great rebounder and only pulls down three one night, did that just not happen because if you look at their history they're a great rebounder?

If someone is a great scorer and only scores a few points one night, did that not happen either because if you look at their ppg average its high?

If someone has a great history of delivering wins when the game is on the line and then they don't do it, did that not happen...

you get the picture

[Edited by - mythfaze on 03-07-2007 06:52 AM]
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3/7/2007  7:05 AM
If Knicks make the playoffs and win one game, then the season was a success. What do you expect after a 23 win season? This team is growing and making the playoff is all that I could have expected from them.
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3/7/2007  7:22 AM
The team quit last yr, that's why they won a franchise all-time low 23 wins.

Why is that so hard to understand that a 120 gazillion dollar roster should at least when they play as hard as they do with this newfound no quit attitude win the division. That would be a success to me.

Anything less is a failure
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Posted by playa2:

The team quit last yr, that's why they won a franchise all-time low 23 wins.

Why is that so hard to understand that a 120 gazillion dollar roster should at least when they play as hard as they do with this newfound no quit attitude win the division. That would be a success to me.

Anything less is a failure

From the front of the site:

“Thomas also compares this season to last season, and I cringe every time. We all know players got fed up with the negative atmosphere and quit. Those 23 wins are not a benchmark.”
- Mike Dougherty, blog entry

So far the only significant improvement I've seen is in Eddy Curry.

Actually, I also give IT credit for getting Marbury to buy into ITs plan.

Yes, Lee, Q and Craw were playing well, however:
-Lee was on pace to do this anyway. All he needed was consistent minutes. It's not like IT turned him into what he is now, like he did for Curry.
-Q was just having a terrible off year.
-Craw was doing extremely well under LB. He regressed a bit at the beginning of the season, was playing well before the injury.

IT has also been able to bring more of an order and identity to the team in that they're rallying around Curry.

As a team, however, do you really think last year's bunch couldn't have done what this years has so far, if LB hadn't been out of his mind and they've all quit?

Last years win total shouldn't be a benchmark. It should be a starting point, but the potential the team had should be accounted for somehow in gauging significant progress.
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3/7/2007  8:20 AM
i can't blame 1 missed free throw when we gave up 31 points in the first quarter, were down by 18, and everyone was bricking their free throws all night
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3/7/2007  9:30 AM
Steph's one free throw is not why we lost the game. Give me a break. We didn't start competing until the 2nd half. And we missed a ton of free throws. That's how we lost. If we make it to the playoff's it's a success. NO ONE expects us to go far in the playoffs. That's not even logical. But making it is and would be a sucess in my book.
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3/7/2007  9:36 AM
Posted by lovespree:

Steph's one free throw is not why we lost the game. Give me a break. We didn't start competing until the 2nd half. And we missed a ton of free throws. That's how we lost. If we make it to the playoff's it's a success. NO ONE expects us to go far in the playoffs. That's not even logical. But making it is and would be a sucess in my book.

Of course its not why we lost... but Steph still choked, regardless.
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3/7/2007  9:49 AM
playa - if the Knicks make the playoffs, will you watch?

or is it such a forgone conclusion they will "disappoint" that you will mow the lawn instead?
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3/7/2007  10:01 AM
Posted by nixluva:
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Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.
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3/7/2007  10:03 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.

Yeah, he choked in the playoffs when he missed those free throws, regardless of the type of game/series he was having beforehand. He didn't the other day when he made them. Simple enough, no?
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3/7/2007  10:09 AM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.

Yeah, he choked in the playoffs when he missed those free throws, regardless of the type of game/series he was having beforehand. He didn't the other day when he made them. Simple enough, no?

Are you seriously saying Gilbert is a choke artist. Dude, put the pipe down, don't be afraid to ask for help.

This guy made a living off of being the top 3 clutch players this season and yet you make an idiotic remark about a missed free throw last season. Have you ever thought about that the reason he is so clutch this year is because he misssed that free throw last season ? Maybe that was the motiviating factor in his play this season.

Can't say the same for Steph, can you buddy ? Not at all, because he rather not get BOOED by him homecrowd than to man up and make a gime winning shot. The guy is overconsciense, just admit it.
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3/7/2007  10:14 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.

Yeah, he choked in the playoffs when he missed those free throws, regardless of the type of game/series he was having beforehand. He didn't the other day when he made them. Simple enough, no?

Are you seriously saying Gilbert is a choke artist. Dude, put the pipe down, don't be afraid to ask for help.

This guy made a living off of being the top 3 clutch players this season and yet you make an idiotic remark about a missed free throw last season. Have you ever thought about that the reason he is so clutch this year is because he misssed that free throw last season ? Maybe that was the motiviating factor in his play this season.

Can't say the same for Steph, can you buddy ? Not at all, because he rather not get BOOED by him homecrowd than to man up and make a gime winning shot. The guy is overconsciense, just admit it.

Um, no. In fact I've reread what I said several times and, no I didn't say that.

Time for you to relax kid. Calm down, take a deep breath, and how about you look at what I said and what I've been saying.

If you miss the free throws with the game on the line, you choked. So that means Arenas and Marbury both choked when they missed the free throws with the game on the line.

I didn't say a damn thing about Arenas on the whole or in any other situation.

And, "buddy," I didn't say anything about Marbury other than commenting on his performance last night.
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3/7/2007  10:59 AM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.

Yeah, he choked in the playoffs when he missed those free throws, regardless of the type of game/series he was having beforehand. He didn't the other day when he made them. Simple enough, no?

Are you seriously saying Gilbert is a choke artist. Dude, put the pipe down, don't be afraid to ask for help.

This guy made a living off of being the top 3 clutch players this season and yet you make an idiotic remark about a missed free throw last season. Have you ever thought about that the reason he is so clutch this year is because he misssed that free throw last season ? Maybe that was the motiviating factor in his play this season.

Can't say the same for Steph, can you buddy ? Not at all, because he rather not get BOOED by him homecrowd than to man up and make a gime winning shot. The guy is overconsciense, just admit it.

Um, no. In fact I've reread what I said several times and, no I didn't say that.

Time for you to relax kid. Calm down, take a deep breath, and how about you look at what I said and what I've been saying.

If you miss the free throws with the game on the line, you choked. So that means Arenas and Marbury both choked when they missed the free throws with the game on the line.

I didn't say a damn thing about Arenas on the whole or in any other situation.

And, "buddy," I didn't say anything about Marbury other than commenting on his performance last night.

I think you should thoroughly think things throuh before posting in this forum. Your posts have been highly ineffective this morning, and I believe you are failing in trying to convince me that Gilbert is not clutch. Yes, he choked last year in the playoffs, but he has accomplished a lot of feats this season, including several game winners, so don't doubt his heroics. Gilbert made up for his mistake, it seems Steph just doesn't get it. So just relax buddy, its all good, have a good day.
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3/7/2007  11:06 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.

Yeah, he choked in the playoffs when he missed those free throws, regardless of the type of game/series he was having beforehand. He didn't the other day when he made them. Simple enough, no?

Are you seriously saying Gilbert is a choke artist. Dude, put the pipe down, don't be afraid to ask for help.

This guy made a living off of being the top 3 clutch players this season and yet you make an idiotic remark about a missed free throw last season. Have you ever thought about that the reason he is so clutch this year is because he misssed that free throw last season ? Maybe that was the motiviating factor in his play this season.

Can't say the same for Steph, can you buddy ? Not at all, because he rather not get BOOED by him homecrowd than to man up and make a gime winning shot. The guy is overconsciense, just admit it.

Um, no. In fact I've reread what I said several times and, no I didn't say that.

Time for you to relax kid. Calm down, take a deep breath, and how about you look at what I said and what I've been saying.

If you miss the free throws with the game on the line, you choked. So that means Arenas and Marbury both choked when they missed the free throws with the game on the line.

I didn't say a damn thing about Arenas on the whole or in any other situation.

And, "buddy," I didn't say anything about Marbury other than commenting on his performance last night.

I think you should thoroughly think things throuh before posting in this forum. Your posts have been highly ineffective this morning, and I believe you are failing in trying to convince me that Gilbert is not clutch. Yes, he choked last year in the playoffs, but he has accomplished a lot of feats this season, including several game winners, so don't doubt his heroics. Gilbert made up for his mistake, it seems Steph just doesn't get it. So just relax buddy, its all good, have a good day.

We're seriously still having this conversation?

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

All I said is exactly what you just admitted: Arenas choked last year in the playoffs.
-Never doubted his "heroics"
-Never said anything about whether or not he is a clutch player (In fact, I think he is, but I never said anything about it either way before now.)
-Never made any comment about him period
-Never tried to convince you of anything about him, period.

Maybe instead of trying to pick random fights you should pay more attention. If you look earlier in this thread, you'd see I have the same exact position you do. I said in one post "...steph still choked, regardless (of whether that was the one thing that lost us the game)"

I think Steph choked. That's all I said, stop trying to put words into my mouth.

And cool it with the random attacks. Go take your aggression out elsewhere.
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3/7/2007  11:11 AM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Sorry guys, as great as Steph was I think he choked. Since the Craw injury, Steph has decided to take the realms of the go to guy. He was supposed to hit that free throw, no excuses. The game was his from the beginning from an offensive standpoint, he flat out carried us tonight. I'm sure fatigue was a factor, but big time players find ways to win, and Steph came up just a bit short. I am not discrediting what he did tonight by no means, but he clearly should've hit that free throw to at least make up for that horrible posession previously.

Guess he doesn't have the ice water flowing through his veins like Gilbert who calmly sank 3 free throws for his team...

Is this the same Arenas who choked in the playoffs last year in a similar spot?

You bet it is. It's the same Arenas who actually got his team INTO the playoffs last year.

It's the same Arenas who can care less of what his critics say about him, unlike Steph.

It's the same Arenas that single handedly torched Kobe for 60.

Most importantly, it's the same Arenas that plays on a winning team.

Yeah, he choked in the playoffs when he missed those free throws, regardless of the type of game/series he was having beforehand. He didn't the other day when he made them. Simple enough, no?

Are you seriously saying Gilbert is a choke artist. Dude, put the pipe down, don't be afraid to ask for help.

This guy made a living off of being the top 3 clutch players this season and yet you make an idiotic remark about a missed free throw last season. Have you ever thought about that the reason he is so clutch this year is because he misssed that free throw last season ? Maybe that was the motiviating factor in his play this season.

Can't say the same for Steph, can you buddy ? Not at all, because he rather not get BOOED by him homecrowd than to man up and make a gime winning shot. The guy is overconsciense, just admit it.

Um, no. In fact I've reread what I said several times and, no I didn't say that.

Time for you to relax kid. Calm down, take a deep breath, and how about you look at what I said and what I've been saying.

If you miss the free throws with the game on the line, you choked. So that means Arenas and Marbury both choked when they missed the free throws with the game on the line.

I didn't say a damn thing about Arenas on the whole or in any other situation.

And, "buddy," I didn't say anything about Marbury other than commenting on his performance last night.

I think you should thoroughly think things throuh before posting in this forum. Your posts have been highly ineffective this morning, and I believe you are failing in trying to convince me that Gilbert is not clutch. Yes, he choked last year in the playoffs, but he has accomplished a lot of feats this season, including several game winners, so don't doubt his heroics. Gilbert made up for his mistake, it seems Steph just doesn't get it. So just relax buddy, its all good, have a good day.

We're seriously still having this conversation?

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

All I said is exactly what you just admitted: Arenas choked last year in the playoffs.
-Never doubted his "heroics"
-Never said anything about whether or not he is a clutch player (In fact, I think he is, but I never said anything about it either way before now.)
-Never made any comment about him period
-Never tried to convince you of anything about him, period.

Maybe instead of trying to pick random fights you should pay more attention. If you look earlier in this thread, you'd see I have the same exact position you do. I said in one post "...steph still choked, regardless (of whether that was the one thing that lost us the game)"

I think Steph choked. That's all I said, stop trying to put words into my mouth.

And cool it with the random attacks. Go take your aggression out elsewhere.

haha, whoa relax ! What's up with the hostility, I didn't put any words in your mouth. All I said was the Gilbert is more clutch than Steph, and for some reason that ticked off your time bomb. Is it really that hard for you to realize this much about Gilbert compared to Steph, please.

And why are we having this discussion, anyways ? Sheesh...
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We all know the cloud steph has carried with him his entire career.

He does well and his team loses regardless of the reasoning.

Somebody put a mojo jo jo on him for leaving minny.

Just like ewing put on the knicks after his trade to seattle
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Why have the Knicks had nothing but losers on their rosters since the 70s ?
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Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Why have the Knicks had nothing but losers on their rosters since the 70s ?



That's a typo, right?
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Posted by playa2:

We all know the cloud steph has carried with him his entire career.

He does well and his team loses regardless of the reasoning.

Somebody put a mojo jo jo on him for leaving minny.

Just like ewing put on the knicks after his trade to seattle


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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Why have the Knicks had nothing but losers on their rosters since the 70s ?



That's a typo, right?

Do you recall a championship from then until now ?
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