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misterearl
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3/5/2007  9:05 PM
>>Who is improved his game under IT? Nobody… We have some players like Jamal, Nete, Fry are all regressed from last year.

arkrud - David Lee improved

Eddy Curry improved.

Marbury has improved.

The TEAM passed its 2006 win total in February

Or have you been watching the games?
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3/5/2007  9:05 PM
>>We need a coach with coach mentality

What kinda nonsense is that?

Are you trying to say a coach who can inspire and rally his players to play through injuries, suspensions and bad calls?





[Edited by - misterearl on 03-05-2007 9:09 PM]
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3/5/2007  9:06 PM
A coach mentality?

Say what!!!!?????

Maybe a supportive coach "mentality" as opposed to a berating or negative-tone, "beat you down" coach "mentality"?

[Edited by - misterearl on 03-05-2007 9:11 PM]
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3/5/2007  9:07 PM
Say what!!!???

>>If the team is good match-up for us and IT style we will break even but mostly sink in big hole of 10-16 points.

huh?
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3/5/2007  9:13 PM
no, before you get excited... Isiah Thomas has made his share of mistakes... and you KNOW you gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette...

Does this mean Isiah is doing a good job as a coach? Maybe. Maybe not. Only the dudes in the locker room know what influence he has had on their collective game. Isiah sucks. Isiah rocks. yadda yadda...

but you know what...

I have a feeling March won't be dull.

[Edited by - misterearl on 03-05-2007 9:16 PM]
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3/5/2007  9:58 PM
Posted by misterearl:

4949 - it's one thing to suggest change, for whatever eason

Quite another to back it up with an alternative backed by a thoughtful rationale

Party on Garth

Well just because I don't have a name or two for you, dosen't mean that we don't-might need change. Sometimes that is true. You might need major change to get healthier. I base this thought on the fact that I think Thomas has had more than enough time to make the right moves and make this work. I'm suggesting that he might have put a future together and maybe that is what is soul purpose was. It might take someone else to make that formula to grow. Don't forget, Zeke has been better known for making picks for teams, and then having to move on. It happened twice before, it could happen again. Let's face the fact that yes, he came in here with the money messed up, but he followed the trend and I and many others feel that he's made a further mess. Believe me. I have been one of his biggest supporters, backed him up for three years and fought against some of the most negativity that has been thrown at him. But I'm seeing something here that I think needs to move on. I see something here that has become a part of all of this and that is why I think that part of it needs to change. Like someone said, it is a stigma. It's kind of like the guy he brought in, starbury, a well established 20-8 guy, who was the tough New Yorker, who had the chance to lead, I mean real' leadership, but there's has always been that stigma about him and it just isn't good for a team, especially when you are trying to develop unity, chemistry. That's putting it all nicely.
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3/5/2007  10:13 PM
Posted by arkrud:

To put some thoughts in the line of opinions:

IT is player mentality coach.
Look how he approaching games.
He has no plan; he is not changing the strategy based on the opponent.
He just watches the game for 6-12 minutes.
If the team is good match-up for us and IT style we will break even but mostly sink in big hole of 10-16 points.
Then Isiah will do lineup and other adjustments and we will start claiming up the hole. Looks familiar?

We need a coach with coach mentality - professional who approaching the game with the knowledge of the opponent. The coach who is developing players and not just letting them do only what they can do well already.

Who is improved his game under IT? Nobody… We have some players like Jamal, Nete, Fry are all regressed from last year.
Eddy and even lee and Balk with all their desire are stuck with their weaknesses.

IT is soo bad as a coach and GM - get him out or use him like motivational speaker. We can use his strong side too (to bad he is not a player any more)

If any of you recall, prior to the start of the season, he said that he was going to put the team out on the floor and let them run. He gave no specific plan on how he was going to play them, and now he seems like he's trying to play a certain way now, but that was his original plan to begin with. I think he's toying with some of these players and should hands off. Let them run, like he said. You got to game plan one way or the other and stick with it. Don't touch it. Don't change it. Leave it alone, once you put it out there. I really think toying with Lee's playing time for instance, and not starting him has been a bit of a problem in this team trying to get over the hump. Injuries can also be a result of not having the consistent playing time. Some of you said it yourself's. He looked down, sitting on the bench. I think putting J J 1 and J J 2 out there at the same time was kind of silly. Those are specific changes and since then the Knicks have been virtually a win, loss, win, loss team in the last number of games. This team can still pull out a 35 win game season (or even a few more), if it runs on it's own. Thomas afterall built this team to run, didn't he?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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3/6/2007  8:43 AM
>>I really think toying with Lee's playing time for instance, and not starting him has been a bit of a problem in this team trying to get over the hump.

Oh brother, another vote for starting David Lee. Isiah DRAFTED Lee, why would he want to put in a position to fail? He is thriving as a sixth man to anchor the second unit and all you want to see is Isiah damaging Lee's game?

>>Injuries can also be a result of not having the consistent playing time. kind of silly

4949 - please allow me to submit that Injuries are the result of playing 100 games nearly every night of the week. Inonsistent playing time causes injuries?

That's a new one
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3/6/2007  8:50 AM
4949 - just in case you missed it

"It's realistic," Knicks coach Isiah Thomas said of the team's playoff chances.

"We are closer. The race is tighter. We're right where we hoped to be in March and April, playing meaningful games and having a chance to get in the playoffs, knocking on the door. I'm pleased with the way we're playing."
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3/6/2007  8:58 AM
If Knicks make the playoffs, it means a minumum of a 15 game improvement over what that disengenuous piece of dung Larry Brown did last year. If they make the playoffs, Isiah deserves coach of the year.
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3/6/2007  9:10 AM
Seems like some people have a personal dislike for IT and would like to see continued failure by the Knicks. I mean if we cant appreciate where we were for the past 5 to 6 years and where we are now then I just cant see any other reason.

I mean he is a work in progress just like the young team he is coaching. He does not have a veteran allstar cast like previous Knick coaches. The man built the team so why cant he have a chance to grow with it and see where it takes us. If we see that he is not progress with them as they grow then a change should be made.

Personally, I bought the NBA ticket this year for the first time because I knew he had some good young players and that they would resond to him. I knew this would bring a little excitement back to NY and Knick fans where ever they are.

I cant help but feel good. If he dosent deserve to get a chance to coach them then should?
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3/6/2007  9:20 AM
seaegg99 - the idea of Isiah Thomas:

- cleaning up the mess that Layden left behind

- changing the losing mindset of his young players and veterans alike

- rebuilding some confidence in players like Eddy Curry

- and convincing players like Stephon to trust his judgement...

- prod them to play through adversity (post-Denver suspensions)

- and adjust to injuries...

... and then not being good enough to take the team to the next level...

is suspect at best.
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3/6/2007  9:28 AM
Posted by misterearl:

seaegg99 - the idea of Isiah Thomas:

- cleaning up the mess that Layden left behind

- changing the losing mindset of his young players and veterans alike

- rebuilding some confidence in players like Eddy Curry

- and convincing players like Stephon to trust his judgement...

- prod them to play through adversity (post-Denver suspensions)

- and adjust to injuries...

... and then not being good enough to take the team to the next level...

is suspect at best.

Are you serious?

-enough with the layden stuff already (not you specifically, just in general). not going to touch that one.

-fixing the mindset of players that was broken by a coach he brought in?

-playing through adversity that he brought upon us?

-the eddy curry one i'll give you, as well as the marbury one.

-no points for adjusting to injuries. That's part of the game. Everyone needs to do that. You don't get a gold star for doing it.
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Posted by seaegg99:

Seems like some people have a personal dislike for IT and would like to see continued failure by the Knicks. I mean if we cant appreciate where we were for the past 5 to 6 years and where we are now then I just cant see any other reason.

I mean he is a work in progress just like the young team he is coaching. He does not have a veteran allstar cast like previous Knick coaches. The man built the team so why cant he have a chance to grow with it and see where it takes us. If we see that he is not progress with them as they grow then a change should be made.

Personally, I bought the NBA ticket this year for the first time because I knew he had some good young players and that they would resond to him. I knew this would bring a little excitement back to NY and Knick fans where ever they are.

I cant help but feel good. If he dosent deserve to get a chance to coach them then should?

People have a dislike for Thomas and don't feel we can succeed with him running the show.
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3/6/2007  10:22 AM
I think you look at a number of things when you judge the knicks this year

1. Two years ago we won 33 games, so winning under that amount is unacceptable, especially since we have an "All Star Center"

2. Curry missed all of training camp last year and was grossly out of shape for nearly the entire season, Q lost his brother and his finacee in one year so he was not sound mentally, and you have DLEE with anohter year under his belt. So that combination alone without playing any games should produce at least 6 more wins.

3. We are judging this team against the worst record in franchise history which isn't what an intelligent fan or owner would do.

4. The East has been decimated with injuries
-Bucks: They would be ahead of us if they didn't lost Redd for half the season, the also lost bobby simmions
-Heat: We are not catching them because Shaq is motivated, however they were without Jason Williams and Oneal for the first half of the season and wade will likely miss close to 40 games
-Celts: Lose Paul Pierce for an extended period of time
-Nets: We would never be able to catch them if they hadn't lost two starter for the year

So in reality we have had some very good luck, losing Crawford isn't that big of a deal as everyone will find out he has never won more than 33 games in his seven year career. We have played a number of teams shorthanded, and have been blown out 15 times Have been horrible back to back which is unacceptable for a young team, and we can't control ourselves or control the basketball.

Isiah gets credit for helping restore confidence in the players, who seem to play better when the roster is shorthanded because roles have been defined. Isiah has had the good fortune of the suspensions and injuries to francis to help define players roles and give them consistent minutes.
1. Marbury was lost at the beginning of the season when he was yanked in and out of the lineup
2. Crawford has been wildely inconsistent and played some most selfish ball of his career, the same goes for nate for has an assist for every turnover
3. Frye has become non existent
4. Balkman has been unfairly benched
5. He has refused to start the teams most important player, making excuses all year long
6. The defense and play calling has been horrendous

Eddy Curry has become an offensive force so credit is due

Marbury realized that you can't be a selfish prick your entire career and did something a franchise guy should have done his entire career be a leader and get after it defensively so i give Marbury the credit there not isiah he realized that it was only a matter of time before he was run out of town and changed from a sulking towel boy to team leader

David Lee is all hustle and has the ability to use both hands and has been giving the chance to play, isiah gets credit for drafting him

Balkman: when isiah checks his ego and doesn't play the worst sf in the nba, balkman has been fantastic at doing everything he needs to do to help the team win

So I think he has been alright as a coach, not terrible not great just in the middle this team has a little more talent than people realize, you just need a defined role and the ability to go out there and compete.

So making the playoffs by default is a good thing, its something these players need hopefully it happens
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3/6/2007  10:44 AM
good post MS. and not one curse word. looks like rehab is working.
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3/6/2007  10:46 AM
Keep him as coach but get a new GM. Then again, Dolan would have to look for a new GM also, so keep him as GM also. *shrug*
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3/6/2007  10:53 AM
As usual guys just can't help but DUMP on this guy. When comparing this team to what it was a few years ago you MUST add to the equation that the Knicks are a team with a FUTURE NOW!!! The fact that the record isn't sterling is of little consquence at this point. The important thing is that this team is on the rise. We've had injuries just like other teams, but we're still fighting thru it. The general demeanor on this team is like that of their coach. THEY FIGHT!!! They don't give up. GIVE THE MAN HIS FREAKIN CREDIT!!!!
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3/6/2007  10:59 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I still question Isiah as GM, but I say Isiah is okay as coach, especially with this particular group he's put together.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/6/2007  11:00 AM
I like the idea of Isiah as coach b/c Curry likes him, and b/c of his old school tactics.

But as a GM he's horrible.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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