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2/26/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:

forget about Jefferies, he's completely useless.

IMO jeffries is the victim of IT's hype and contract-giving.

he's had games where he's been in the right place at the right time, on offense and defense, contesting shots well, hustling. he can recognize when he's being doubled off of and finds some space. he's limited by his lack of touch with the ball on his shooting, inside and out. in short, he's got a brain and is tall, but has very poor skills.

i personally will give him the Q treatment and see if he can step up next season. hopefully he spends most of the summer playing HORSE with renaldo mardy and lee. and can come back and give us a good 20 mpg off the bench at the forward spots and block out the criticism.

i think he'd be a decent piece for a team that has players who know how to play good team oriented ball & has a great PG who knows how to orchestrate the team, like the Spurs, Suns or Nets... but for a team that's looking for a head out on the floor, Jefferies doesn't bring much at all... how many times do i see him look at other teammates when his man is left unguarded or when someone forgets to box out when he could have done it himself? Jefferies looks lost & completely clueless on the floor playing w/these guys... i would so much rather have Q Woods making the LLE on this team than Jefferies eating up that entire MLE... ugh!
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2/26/2007  2:37 PM
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Posted by bigbeast:

Love Almond, but if Marcus Williams falls, you have to take him. Williams has lotto talent but Arizona's play as fallin' off of late as as his stock.

Sean Williams should be there with our second round pick (according to NBAdraft.net we're picking 40th....do we still have our second round pick?)

Heres a few guys I love to see fall to us:

Thaddeous Young Sf (skilled lefty who fills a need a Sf. May be gone by the time we pick)
Jeff Green Sf (might be gone by the time we pick)
Acie Law (probably gone)
Marcus Williams sf(if he is there, cant pass over Marcus Williams twice)
Morris Almond (my second choice if Williams is gone)
Dequan Cook

Just from what I have seen
cook-not ready for nba
young--overrated not reaedy for nba
green law and williams likely gone.
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2/26/2007  2:52 PM
i'd like to trade frye for mike miller so that we can focus on getting a shotblocking backup center like williams in the draft
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2/26/2007  2:54 PM
What about the Italian guy, Bellinelli? Supposedly a pure shooter.
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2/26/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Phoenix has ATL's pick.

That is sick!

Isn't it? Phoenix set themselves up beautifully. Compare their moves over the past few years vs. ours. It's almost uncanny. At the time, we were a better team than Phoenix. Now Phoenix is one of the top few teams in the NBA and we're desperately hoping that 6-10 games under .500 will slip us into the playoffs. Very ironic. Phoenix has been beautifully run, to near perfection.
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2/26/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Nalod:

Phoenix has ATL's pick.

That is sick!

Isn't it? Phoenix set themselves up beautifully. Compare their moves over the past few years vs. ours. It's almost uncanny. At the time, we were a better team than Phoenix. Now Phoenix is one of the top few teams in the NBA and we're desperately hoping that 6-10 games under .500 will slip us into the playoffs. Very ironic. Phoenix has been beautifully run, to near perfection.

what if joe johnson was on the suns right now?
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2/26/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Nalod:

Phoenix has ATL's pick.

That is sick!

Isn't it? Phoenix set themselves up beautifully. Compare their moves over the past few years vs. ours. It's almost uncanny. At the time, we were a better team than Phoenix. Now Phoenix is one of the top few teams in the NBA and we're desperately hoping that 6-10 games under .500 will slip us into the playoffs. Very ironic. Phoenix has been beautifully run, to near perfection.

what if joe johnson was on the suns right now?

To be honest, I think they did better with Diaw + picks than Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson is good, but he's no star. I think Diaw plus whoever they get in the upcoming draft will be better for them than Joe Johnson would.
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2/26/2007  3:09 PM
Jerry Colangelo can be brought in to fix this situation too.
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2/26/2007  3:57 PM
Nice convo.

I really believe isiahs needs to work the draft. Isiah probably could buy a pick and then there is Nate and frye. Both of these guys bring what we need but from the wrong position. Nate needs to be 6-8 inches taller while Frye needs to be more mobile and skilled on the perimeter.

I think that once the team understands that, the team can get better.

This draft is exciting to me. There are some guys that flat out excite me. Lots of skill in this draft.
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2/26/2007  4:00 PM
Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...
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2/26/2007  4:16 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

what about a package of Marion, KT & the pick for Kevin Garnett? do you think the Suns would do it? the TWolves? i think it would give the Suns a way to match up well w/the Mavs & Spurs in a playoff series, & also gives the TWolves some good talent in return for their franchise stud.
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2/26/2007  4:20 PM
Thats definitely a fair trade TMS, I'm not sure how Garnett would play in that running offense though. I know Garnett is as athletic as they came but his game has never been running and gunning, it's postups and jumpshots. Obviously I could be totally wrong and he'd be great in that offense, I just don't see it though.
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2/26/2007  4:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

what about a package of Marion, KT & the pick for Kevin Garnett? do you think the Suns would do it? the TWolves? i think it would give the Suns a way to match up well w/the Mavs & Spurs in a playoff series, & also gives the TWolves some good talent in return for their franchise stud.


I can't imagine them getting Garnett. Isn't he a bit old to be running? How many years can he handle, if any, of that? As far as the trade going through though, sounds like a great trade for Minnesota. They probably get a young stud in the draft and Marion adds a presence. They need to get something for him, no? I helps Phoenix to get over the hump, but they have Amare back, and he is playing very good from what I hear, not sure, worry about Chemistry. Big big trade, but they've done it before... Looking forward to the draft...
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2/26/2007  4:23 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

i have zero problem trading Frye if we can get a veteran shooter who's still relatively in his prime & doesn't carry a heinous contract like Ray Allen... or if we can trade Frye to get a shotblocker, then we can use the pick to take a shooter too... the problem is Frye's not good enough in either category to be much of a help to this team, & he's not a rebounder, defender or passer either, so if he's not taking those midrange jumpers, he adds nothing else... at least Curry is drawing double teams down low & scoring at a high %... that's something we will need going forward... unless Channing develops a consistent 3 pointer to stretch defenses, his purpose on this team is pretty much non-existent.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-26-2007 1:37 PM]

I think the two players I highlighted are formulated for what we need. Obviously you don't want to draft on need for the most part--but if we are going to base this franchise on Eddy Curry

A. You need higher % shooters so teams don't sag on EC

B. You really need a shot blocker because we are NOT going to get that from Frye or Lee. Most teams pretty much have a rotation of 4 bigs--so Curry Lee Frye with Williams balances out the frontcourt better.

Completely agree. Myself, I would dangle a small chip along with our own 1st rounder to try and move up a few slots in the draft if possible to get Aaron Afflalo. I'm more familiar with him than Almond to be honest, though they do look similar. This kid Almond looks like a real scoring machine. Seen Afflalo quite a few times and there's no reason, with a little more work on his game, that Afflalo can't be the next Rip Hamilton - he's that good. Mid-range, long-range, hits shots in the clutch with the game on the line, comes off screens for jumpers very well, very tough, he's a leader out there, plays with heart... The kid's the real deal. And I like Sean Williams a lot with our second round pick, although he's another guy that might not be there when we pick in the second round even with all his personal problems (getting dismissed from BC for repeated marijuana violations). Or will he? Hard to tell? I mean, Justin Williams from Wyoming didn't even get drafted last year and they're very similar players. We might have to devise a way to move up and get this kid too. If we got Afflalo and Sean Williams, we had a hellava draft. I'd be so happy with that. That's what we gotta shoot for...

Compare Almond to Afflalo for me guys. Are they very similar? Too similar to even bother moving up to get Afflalo over Almond? Who's better right now and who will be better in the future? Who's a better fit for the Knicks?

As for Sean Williams, gun to your head, where does he go in the draft? 1st round? 2nd? Undrafted?
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2/26/2007  4:28 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Thats definitely a fair trade TMS, I'm not sure how Garnett would play in that running offense though. I know Garnett is as athletic as they came but his game has never been running and gunning, it's postups and jumpshots. Obviously I could be totally wrong and he'd be great in that offense, I just don't see it though.

playing w/a PG like Nash, believe me, KG will be running & gunning w/the rest of them... look at how Q Rich transformed his half court, post up game when he was there? he became a 3 pt shooter... i look to KG to adapt his game & do it well if he has Nash as a teammate getting him the ball.
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2/26/2007  4:29 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

what about a package of Marion, KT & the pick for Kevin Garnett? do you think the Suns would do it? the TWolves? i think it would give the Suns a way to match up well w/the Mavs & Spurs in a playoff series, & also gives the TWolves some good talent in return for their franchise stud.


I can't imagine them getting Garnett. Isn't he a bit old to be running? How many years can he handle, if any, of that? As far as the trade going through though, sounds like a great trade for Minnesota. They probably get a young stud in the draft and Marion adds a presence. They need to get something for him, no? I helps Phoenix to get over the hump, but they have Amare back, and he is playing very good from what I hear, not sure, worry about Chemistry. Big big trade, but they've done it before... Looking forward to the draft...

true, they have Amare, but can you imagine a front court of KG & Amare & the problems that will pose to any team that plays them? they'd be favorites to win the championship for sure next season.

C - Amare
PF - Garnett
SF - Diaw
SG - Bell
PG - Nash

that's pretty sick right there.


[Edited by - TMS on 02-26-2007 4:30 PM]
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2/26/2007  4:32 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

i have zero problem trading Frye if we can get a veteran shooter who's still relatively in his prime & doesn't carry a heinous contract like Ray Allen... or if we can trade Frye to get a shotblocker, then we can use the pick to take a shooter too... the problem is Frye's not good enough in either category to be much of a help to this team, & he's not a rebounder, defender or passer either, so if he's not taking those midrange jumpers, he adds nothing else... at least Curry is drawing double teams down low & scoring at a high %... that's something we will need going forward... unless Channing develops a consistent 3 pointer to stretch defenses, his purpose on this team is pretty much non-existent.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-26-2007 1:37 PM]

I think the two players I highlighted are formulated for what we need. Obviously you don't want to draft on need for the most part--but if we are going to base this franchise on Eddy Curry

A. You need higher % shooters so teams don't sag on EC

B. You really need a shot blocker because we are NOT going to get that from Frye or Lee. Most teams pretty much have a rotation of 4 bigs--so Curry Lee Frye with Williams balances out the frontcourt better.

Completely agree. Myself, I would dangle a small chip along with our own 1st rounder to try and move up a few slots in the draft if possible to get Aaron Afflalo. I'm more familiar with him than Almond to be honest, though they do look similar. This kid Almond looks like a real scoring machine. Seen Afflalo quite a few times and there's no reason, with a little more work on his game, that Afflalo can't be the next Rip Hamilton - he's that good. Mid-range, long-range, hits shots in the clutch with the game on the line, comes off screens for jumpers very well, very tough, he's a leader out there, plays with heart... The kid's the real deal. And I like Sean Williams a lot with our second round pick, although he's another guy that might not be there when we pick in the second round even with all his personal problems (getting dismissed from BC for repeated marijuana violations). Or will he? Hard to tell? I mean, Justin Williams from Wyoming didn't even get drafted last year and they're very similar players. We might have to devise a way to move up and get this kid too. If we got Afflalo and Sean Williams, we had a hellava draft. I'd be so happy with that. That's what we gotta shoot for...

Compare Almond to Afflalo for me guys. Are they very similar? Too similar to even bother moving up to get Afflalo over Almond? Who's better right now and who will be better in the future? Who's a better fit for the Knicks?

As for Sean Williams, gun to your head, where does he go in the draft? 1st round? 2nd? Undrafted?

i say he goes early 2nd round, but he's easily worth a late 1st rounder IMO... if we only have 1 pick, i'd be willing to take the risk... we need a shotblocker like him in the worst way.
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2/26/2007  4:36 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

Compare Almond to Afflalo for me guys. Are they very similar? Too similar to even bother moving up to get Afflalo over Almond? Who's better right now and who will be better in the future? Who's a better fit for the Knicks?

I think they are very similar players offensively. Almond is a much better rebounder from the guard position and Afflao is a better defensive player. Heres my take though, Afflao is playing at UCLA and playing much better competition that Morris Almond is playing at Rice University. I think Almond fits the Knicks better because he's a more dynamic offensive player and I think his ability to rebound from the guard spot would be extremely beneficial to this team.

I will note though. You look at the 2 biggest teams that Rice has played this year, Gonzaga and Memphis heres what Almond has done.
11/14/06 @ Gonzaga - 4/15fgs, 13pts, 7rebs
2/22/07 @ Memphis - 5/14fgs, 15pts, 10rebs

Cause for concern? I dont know, just figured I'd bring some interesting notes to the table. I'd still take Almond though.
As for Sean Williams, gun to your head, where does he go in the draft? 1st round? 2nd? Undrafted?

Gun to my head, 1st round because he's 1st round talent. This guy has Eddie Griffen written all over him if you ask me though. I mean serious Eddie Griffen issues.
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2/26/2007  4:38 PM
I'm still curious about this Rudy Fernandez guy. Does anyone know if he is actually coming out this year?
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2/26/2007  5:08 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Isn't there a decent chance that Phoenix trades thier pick, even if it's top 5? They seem content with their team and are very salary conscious. I only see them liking Durant, otherwise trading the pick away...

i dont think their payroll can absorb another big contract--there are nice players at the top of the draft

i'll tell you another sleeper who will make the nba for sure is strawberry's son. he plays as hard as anyone in cbb and his skill level keeps improving.
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