Posted by TMS:

Posted by MS:

Add the bucks into the mix and the magic collapse and its a huge dissapointment

disappointment for those teams, not for ours... if you think this team is underachieving because there are other teams out there that can't play up to their potential, that's backwards logic.

i disagree. the east will probably not be as weak as it is now any time in the near future. from that persepective it should be harder for this team to make the playoffs next season than it will be this season.

who knows what will happen? while the knicksmight mis crawford for his quick scoring bursts and late game shots---there is a possibility that there is a better % effeciency and if they make a concerted effort to stop turning the ball over--maybe they can do something? The one thing they DO NOT want is a small collapse--they cannot afford to lose 3-4 in a row--at worst they need to keep doing what they are doing and then have one winning streak of 6-7 games.

Posted by MS:

Actually its not, we have played a number of teams this season that were very shorthanded and blown those games, and got two gifts vs the grizzles without gasol, and lost to the bucks without redd and villeneava, got a chance to play the hawks without joe johnson and josh childress. We got killed by the heat without Shaq and Wade, play the Heat again without Wade. Injuries are a part of the game but we have gotten a number of gimmie wins because of injuries.

1-3 against the worst team in the league the Celts
1-2 vs the sixers
1-2 vs the mighty bobcats and got blown out twice, and took a mircale to beat them

The team has been a disapointment, no getting around it, they rarely get a big win, and always follow up a great win with a terrible loss, don't compete on a consistent basis, so its not backwards logic

2-0 vs the lakers
1-1 vs utah
1-1 vs detroit

that's what you call a mediocre mid 30's win team... they'll have their share of crappy games like last night, & they'll have their share of surprising wins against superior competition.

The Lakers were shorthanded both those games, the second one was a nice win, and we almost blew the first one at home without Kobe, Walton, and Kwame

Posted by MS:

Without question

We have already proven that big quick athletic players kill this roster.

Teams that you can expect to be better than us next year

Celtics (Green, Jefferson, Pierce, draft pick), Bucks (cap room, Redd), Bobcats (The will figure things out and spend the money), Nets (can't beat them), Heat), Pistons, Cavs, Wizards, Pacers, Bulls, Raptors (Bosh, and Anrdres)

And the Hawks keep getting better and their two best players are better than ours and childress is underrated....

Seriously whats going to happen to make us better? Other than Lee coming into camp with an outside game which i bet happens.

Balkman needs to develop a jumper, q needs to stay healthy, marbury's knees need to hold up, Frye I don't know what he needs, Crawford practices his game in the street he isn't going to get better he is what he is, Curry is he going to be in shape, crash the boards? Jefferies is he going to learn how to shoot? Jerome James magically lose 50 pounds?

We are going to have to rely on our midlevel, give me a break! Our draft pick, not likely

Curry needs to learn how to jump and put his hands up. I am with Skiles on this one. Curry defense is ridculous. The sad part is that you can tell he is capable of playing it but is not focus on doing so. That is frustrating. Same with Frye. One problem with the Knicks is that their help defense is so horrible. Guards particularlly Crawford allow guys to take them off the dribble to easy. Curry is too focus on trying to stay out of foul trouble it crazy. That is very evident. That coaching staff should just challenge the officials and tell those guys to bump and grind until the foul calling gets ridculous. Let the officials adjust to your intensity on defense.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by MS:

Add the bucks into the mix and the magic collapse and its a huge dissapointment

disappointment for those teams, not for ours... if you think this team is underachieving because there are other teams out there that can't play up to their potential, that's backwards logic.

i disagree. the east will probably not be as weak as it is now any time in the near future. from that persepective it should be harder for this team to make the playoffs next season than it will be this season.

I disagree the Celtics are bigger disappointments. Jefferson has taken a huge step backwards. Green shouldn't be taking this long to develop. They were suppose to be better than this already according to Bill Simmons. If they don't get Oden then what take another swing player? Rick tried that a couple of years ago and see how that work out for him. Ainge jettison players from a playoff team and promise a 2 year build on the run like Thomas but has fail to this point. 76ers, Hawks, Knicks, Celtics, and Magic better really improve next season or all those GMs should be fired. Knight has been rebuilding for 7 seasons now! And McHale has got a job for life because he drafted KG, whoopie damn doo.

They lost paul pierce for the entire first half of the season, lost Wally for the same.

You take the cake for the dumbest poster of the day:

I disagree the Celtics are bigger disappointments. Jefferson has taken a huge step backwards. Green shouldn't be taking this long to develop. They were suppose to be better than this already according to Bill Simmons.

Jefferson has taken a huge step back?

Eddy Curry at 22 16.1pts 5.3rbs 0.9blks
Al Jefferson at 22 14.5pts 10.9rbs 1.5blks

(Feb stats 16pts 12rbs 1.8blks 1.4ass 2.1tos) AL
(Feb stats 20pts 7.5rbs 0.5blks 1.1ass 3.3tos) EC

If they get the number two they take Durant, who is the best player and college and put him up front with jefferson....

I think at this point its pretty close who you would rather have, especially when you compare physical condition.

Green is old for being a a second year player, but a kid with no college under his belt averaging (9.4pts on 44% shooting isn't bad)

If you could trade roster right now with the celtics would you, i think the answer is yes, they have a good bench players in rondo, west, and gomes......an allstar in pierce, a high lottery pick, greene and jefferson, had Ainge just taken randy foye they would be in business, but this team has options because they have players other than DLEE that teams actually want.

And no one is defending McCale half of the nba gms don't have any idea what they are doing and its a wonder they have jobs, Weisbrod, Babcock, Knight, King, Baylor, Thomas, McChale, Layden how any of these guys was ever employed to make decisions is beyong me.

he's 22... just thought i'd throw that out there since i know you like to get your #'s & percentages exactly right.

I disagree the Celtics are bigger disappointments. Jefferson has taken a huge step backwards.

Did you even look up his statistics at all? Seriously because this guy last season was averaging 8 points 5 boards this year he's averaging 14 points 11 boards I would love to live with that kind of "disappointment". I agree Gerald Green has been very over-hyped and has thus far failed to live up to his hype.

Think about the Bucks would most likely be fighting for a playoff spot right now had Michael Redd not gotten hurt.

Miami would have been a lock if Shaq decides to play at least 70% of the season and with a healthy Wade this team is winning at least 46 to 50 games in a season.

Philly had their two leading scorers traded and waived but with some more stability and a few pieces added here and there this team could possibly win 30 to 34 games. Maybe more 10 more if they get a stud rookie in the draft and a major free-agent signing.

New Jersey lost two main components in Richard Jefferson and Nened Kristic with these guys in the mix NJ can win at least a solid 45 games.

So in the end Boston, Mil, and Philly that this season are completely out of the hunt for a playoff berth (provided there's no major injuries) will be competing with the Knicks next season for a playoff spot. Than with a healthy NJ and Miami they could be competing for the 5th 6th spot instead of 7th 8th next season. Throw in a improved Charlotte and Atlanta the tide could turn against the Knicks. Where there in a position that has them fighting for a good lottery pick instead of playoff berth.


Damn MS you beat me to it!

[Edited by - bitty41 on 03-01-2007 11:36 AM]