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2/23/2007  2:33 PM
Balkman could easily put up better than 12 & 5 right now if given 32 mpg... to think he couldn't progress into a better player than Shandone is really short selling Balkman... defensively Shandon was solid, but give Balkman a year or 2 to bulk up & learn these players' tendencies & he'll be a better lockdown defender.
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2/23/2007  2:34 PM
Posted by TMS:
An energy/defense guy with limited offense will usually either be the 5th option starter on a good playoff team (Bowen, Hassel, etc) or a super sub.

that's pretty much what Josh Howard was projected as being... he's turned himself into 1 of the premier SF's in the game... same goes for guys like Ben Wallace & Carlos Boozer... a lot of hard work & some natural ability can take you a long way in this game.

btw, i used that same JYD comparison the day Isiah drafted him & i saw some video clips on the guy... i think he's going to be a much better player tho.

I think Balkman, Lee and Howard are type of players that will always be welcome on any team. What both Lee and Howard need to do is show the ability to make the open jumper on a more regular basis.
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2/23/2007  2:35 PM
In two years Mr Balkman will be the Knicks starting SF...14 Ppg. / 8 Reb / 3 Asst / 2 Stl / 1 Blk
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2/23/2007  2:35 PM
Have you really watched Balkman at all this year?

He is a game changer, Anderson was not, He is very long and dunks everything around the basket, is one of the better shot blockers in the NBA if he has time on the court, and is a better rebounder than anderson, he has deceptively good skills. He passes the ball well, just it up court quickly and has confidence to play in this city.....

Granted he needs to work on his jumper and handle, put if you played the kid consistenly I think your looking at 10pts 7rbs 2ass 2blks 2stls.
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2/23/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by TMS:

Balkman could easily put up better than 12 & 5 right now if given 32 mpg... to think he couldn't progress into a better player than Shandone is really short selling Balkman... defensively Shandon was solid, but give Balkman a year or 2 to bulk up & learn these players' tendencies & he'll be a better lockdown defender.

I just don't see it. He puts up a lot of energy in limited minutes. Can he sustain that if he were to play 35 or would he have to pace himself? Might some of those ratio numbers go down a bit? I like the way Balkman plays, but again... I like the way he plays, I think he could be a very import role player on a good team. If you want to point out numbers, fine, but that's not what I was saying, I meant more on the style of play, importance to a team scale. If you think Balkman's a starter, great. It's surely possible. If you think he's a star, I'm certainly suspicious of that analysis. Quite frankly, until Balkman moves up in the depth chart (e.g.: ahead of Jared Jeffries, Q, etc...) he won't be a starter. Not next year, not the year after... unless Knicks management wants him to be a starter. So I have a tough time seeing that even if Balkman does have more potential that he'll get the opportunity. This organization is not known for playing the best player, but for playing whoever is highest paid or whoever fits Knicks management's agenda at the time. If Balkman doesn't get to start for the next three or four years, maybe he gets discouraged and never hits his potential. I see that as a very very possible scenario.
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2/23/2007  2:40 PM
I think he's shown himself to have a little more offensive potential than JYD and he's more athletic. His offensive IQ as a whole is better (passing, filling lanes, running the break). He can make a similar kind of impact on the game- I.e. infuse it with energy, make the opponent work very hard.

If you asked me if I would rather have Balkman or Ariza, I'd probably say Balkman.
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2/23/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by MS:

Have you really watched Balkman at all this year?

That is a nitpick snit post. I hate getting challenged by people's insecure bull****. I already explained multiple times in this thread what I meant by my comments. If you can't read, then maybe you should go back to elementary school. I don't have time for snit posts. Thanks.
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2/23/2007  2:45 PM
I really like Balkman, I think he can be a shoutdown defender, and a real intagibles type player like david lee, I think he can be just as good a rebounder as lee too.
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2/23/2007  2:57 PM
I just hope he doesn't get traded, and gets the chance to develop. The Knick's sure do need players like Mr Balkman and General Lee.
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2/23/2007  3:11 PM
Balkman is at the same stage Frye was in last year. Let me break it down.

Frye was supposed to be a shot blocker, inside threat. We all saw the quickness, the ability to get up and down the floor and the hook shots with either hand. Then we realized he could shoot! We labeled this guy to be as good as Duncan or some other guys cuz there was no way this young guy wasn't gonna get better. Now I would be killing myself not to curse him out if I saw him.

Anyway Balkman is a high energy player now. Ah but so was ariza! Ariza never got better he is just the same exact player when he was drafted.

How good Balkman should be is up to him and the people around him. Balkman has a decent handle that he should continue to work on. I think he needs to become a threat slashing. Not just taking his man off the dribble to the basket but being a playmaking threat. Not like Craw but like a true small fwd would. Balkman shows the same nose for the game Lee does. Obviously a jumpshot all around the court would be awesome.

Ah man I love this stage in a guys game. I tell you what though, if balkman can't and doesn't improve then he will be on my **** list.

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2/23/2007  3:11 PM
I agree about his defense and rebounding. He's very good at both. I don't think he has the ability to be a good shooter - even with work, but he can develop his moves to and around the basket.
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2/23/2007  3:12 PM
Btw, people also thought the following young Knicks would be stars: Lavor Postell, Mike Sweetney, Maciej Lampe, Channing Frye, Frank Williams, Erick Strickland, John Wallace, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza.

The point being, it's better to err on the side of caution when talking about young players than to be overzealous. Young players are exciting and there is that unknown about how good they will ultimately be, but at the same token, try not get too lost in that. This team still has a long way to go, but if Balkman, Lee, Frye, Nate, Curry, Marbury, Craw, Q, Jeffries, Francis, etc... were all stars, then we would be putting up 230 points a night and would be unbeatable.
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2/23/2007  3:28 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

He can be a poor mans Gerald Wallace. Balks explosive but not as explosive as Wallace.

Balk needs to work on his handle in terms of getting around his man. He needs to add a mid range jumper and not worry so much about the 3. He doesn't have a great shooting touch, so he should work on using the backboard (a la Pippen, Nique). The one handed put-shot (similar to Mark Jackson) would help aswell.

Balk is actually a good compliment to Lee and Curry because he adds the shot-blocking tangible that both Curry and Lee lack. He also rebounds like a PF which helps being in the same lineup with Curry.

I disagree about his shooting touch- he has good form and when his shots go in, they look. Unlike Jeffries who just looks terrible.

I see him being able to hit 3's in the 40-45% range. He'll be a threat.

And his handle is awesome. He just needs more work on half court type moves.

Projecting Balkman- I would love to see him develop his shot and move to the 2 for us- perhaps 2 off the bench.

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2/23/2007  3:42 PM
Posted by Solace:

Btw, people also thought the following young Knicks would be stars: Lavor Postell, Mike Sweetney, Maciej Lampe, Channing Frye, Frank Williams, Erick Strickland, John Wallace, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza.

The point being, it's better to err on the side of caution when talking about young players than to be overzealous. Young players are exciting and there is that unknown about how good they will ultimately be, but at the same token, try not get too lost in that. This team still has a long way to go, but if Balkman, Lee, Frye, Nate, Curry, Marbury, Craw, Q, Jeffries, Francis, etc... were all stars, then we would be putting up 230 points a night and would be unbeatable.

You are right. But like I said it sure is exciting to talk about.

The think about those players you mention though and what stands out was attitude, and work ethic. Sweetney and frank Williams have weight problems and they acted like someone too their adrenal glands away! Lavar had a ****ed up attituded. As far as John Wallace, I think he just didn't care anymore. Lampe also had a work ethic problem.

Frye is flat out soft. You can't teach a mofo to be tough and hustle. Balkman has that motor already. He is in awesome shape and is relentless on the boards and doesn't back down. His handle is good enoug where he can make it better and anybody can fix their jumpshot over time and I can testify to that.

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2/23/2007  3:55 PM
It comes down to if Balkman WANTS to be a stud. If he really wants to be a stud then he will put in the hours and hours of trying to develop his game all yr long. This upside & potential is all based on the hard work he puts in. There is not one stud player in the NBA who got to that level by not putting in hours and hours and hours of work to better his game.

If Balkman is happy to be an role player he will be a role player. If Balkman wanted to me more, and put in the work to be more. He can be more.

Ben Wallace made himself into an allstar, and a championship calibre center. From being an undrafted journey man with no offensive game who was a great rebounder.
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2/23/2007  4:02 PM
Yeah man if balkman wants it he could be just as good as a Josh Howard.

That's why I hate frye.
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2/23/2007  4:06 PM
Fyre can't be great, he is slow doesn't have great hands and can't jump. He is physically weak, i think he sould just drop the weight he put on, he was much more effective last year with the body he had.....he doesn't have the same rise he did
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2/23/2007  4:31 PM
3 point shot is easier to get. Balkman gets that and he is better then the next great super star Josh Smith already...........
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2/23/2007  5:08 PM
Posted by Solace:

Btw, people also thought the following young Knicks would be stars: Lavor Postell, Mike Sweetney, Maciej Lampe, Channing Frye, Frank Williams, Erick Strickland, John Wallace, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza.

The point being, it's better to err on the side of caution when talking about young players than to be overzealous. Young players are exciting and there is that unknown about how good they will ultimately be, but at the same token, try not get too lost in that. This team still has a long way to go, but if Balkman, Lee, Frye, Nate, Curry, Marbury, Craw, Q, Jeffries, Francis, etc... were all stars, then we would be putting up 230 points a night and would be unbeatable.

to be fair, you've been very high on Marcus Williams' potential, & he hasn't proved a thing in the NBA... we'll pick & choose which young players we see promise in... who i pick might be different than who you pick... it's all a guessing game.

i was right about Sweetney tho.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-23-2007 5:10 PM]
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2/23/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by TMS:

to be fair, you've been very high on Marcus Williams' potential, & he hasn't proved a thing in the NBA... we'll pick & choose which young players we see promise in... who i pick might be different than who you pick... it's all a guessing game.

i was right about Sweetney tho.

And for good reason. Marcus Williams is NBA starter quality, and the Nets tried (and apparently failed) to trade Jason Kidd to make room for him as a starter. The Knicks picked up other SFs to make Balkman expendable. Doesn't that give you an idea about how each organization feels about that player? Also, Marcus Williams was a very good player in college and *should've* gone lottery. Balkman was an okay player in college and was projected to go late second round. I think most can understand why it's reasonable to think Marcus Williams is starter quality. I think the expectations of Marcus Williams are reasonable; I never said he was going to be a star, but we will regret not having drafted him.

As for Sweetney, bleh. I consider him a victim of circumstance.
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