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babyKnicks
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I've been rooting for this dude for the entire year and I've been convince by the UK Mafia. This kid sucks...but WHY?
It's all mental...he lost his mojo somewhere along the line
It's physical, he's never recovered from the knee injury
It's isiah...he's not using him properly
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fishmike
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2/22/2007  11:50 PM
he's not a PF. He cant guard PFs and isnt comfortable there. It totally phucks him up. Also he gets ZERO touches in the post. Last year he was often featured in the high and low post off the bench, and was putting together a fantastic rookie campain. That player is still there, but those touches arent. Those belong to Eddy now.

Its not rocket science.. seriously. I have ZERO doubt that if Eddy was traded today and Frye handed the starting center position with a REAL PF (cough Lee, not Jerome) playing the 4 that Frye would give you 20/9 in 25 minutes. He wouldnt shoot Eddy's FG % but it would be decent.

Oohah's "threaten to be an all star" call wasnt that crazy because he's a talented player. He can really score, and IS a capable defender, when he's in the spot he's comfortable in.

Curry's gain has been Frye's loss.
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2/23/2007  12:09 AM
Posted by fishmike:

he's not a PF. He cant guard PFs and isnt comfortable there. It totally phucks him up. Also he gets ZERO touches in the post. Last year he was often featured in the high and low post off the bench, and was putting together a fantastic rookie campain. That player is still there, but those touches arent. Those belong to Eddy now.

Its not rocket science.. seriously. I have ZERO doubt that if Eddy was traded today and Frye handed the starting center position with a REAL PF (cough Lee, not Jerome) playing the 4 that Frye would give you 20/9 in 25 minutes. He wouldnt shoot Eddy's FG % but it would be decent.

Oohah's "threaten to be an all star" call wasnt that crazy because he's a talented player. He can really score, and IS a capable defender, when he's in the spot he's comfortable in.

Curry's gain has been Frye's loss.

Fantastic rookie campaign?...His numbers are basically the same this year as last...I'm still not buying your argument for him playing center...I think he can do both...he is just way too passive when he steps on the court...He should play every minute Curry isn't on the court..
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2/23/2007  12:31 AM
Posted by fishmike:

he's not a PF. He cant guard PFs and isnt comfortable there. It totally phucks him up. Also he gets ZERO touches in the post. Last year he was often featured in the high and low post off the bench, and was putting together a fantastic rookie campain. That player is still there, but those touches arent. Those belong to Eddy now.

Its not rocket science.. seriously. I have ZERO doubt that if Eddy was traded today and Frye handed the starting center position with a REAL PF (cough Lee, not Jerome) playing the 4 that Frye would give you 20/9 in 25 minutes. He wouldnt shoot Eddy's FG % but it would be decent.

Oohah's "threaten to be an all star" call wasnt that crazy because he's a talented player. He can really score, and IS a capable defender, when he's in the spot he's comfortable in.

Curry's gain has been Frye's loss.

unbalanced roster?

I agree- everything is so focused on Curry, that the chances for points for other players are garbage off missed shots or outside shots or 1 on 1 moves.

Frye too often shoots from too deep- and Isiah is at fault.

I did vote mental, though- because even thought he might be better as the C, he could still do better when he is on the floor next to Curry- even with the offense being run such as it is.

I guess the next poll should be "Who Should get traded, Curry or Frye"

I know Isiah would move Frye before Curry, just because he overpaid. But if a decent deal came along this summer, good bye Eddy "I never met a Turnover I didn't commit or eat" Curry.

[Edited by - franco12 on 02-23-2007 12:33 AM]
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2/23/2007  12:46 AM
I have to agree that it's Isiah's fault. isiah really hasn't done a THING to enhance Frye's skills. He just has him out there as a release valve in case all the other options don't work. You have to actually run things for Frye and he doesn't do that. So Frye is stuck meandoring out on the perimeter.

You have to have a better gameplan than Isiah has had for Frye. Also the guards tend to forget about Frye in the post. They don't stick with him for long. If he hasn't established perfect position or if the defender is over playing the pass. They just give up and go somewhere else. They don't respect his game enough and Frye isn't vocal enough to MAKE them give him the ball. i'd be all over the guards if they froze me out, as should Isiah
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2/23/2007  12:56 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I have to agree that it's Isiah's fault. isiah really hasn't done a THING to enhance Frye's skills. He just has him out there as a release valve in case all the other options don't work. You have to actually run things for Frye and he doesn't do that. So Frye is stuck meandoring out on the perimeter.

You have to have a better gameplan than Isiah has had for Frye. Also the guards tend to forget about Frye in the post. They don't stick with him for long. If he hasn't established perfect position or if the defender is over playing the pass. They just give up and go somewhere else. They don't respect his game enough and Frye isn't vocal enough to MAKE them give him the ball. i'd be all over the guards if they froze me out, as should Isiah

nixluva, I think you hit on the biggest problem with our offense. We don't have good passers on this team. None of these guys, including Marbury, excel at post entry passes. I don't know how many times I have seen Frye, and Curry to a lesser extent, open down low and our guards either don't make the pass or by the time they make the pass it takes 5-6 seconds and the defender has moved to a better defensive position. IT needs to work on passing into and out of the post at every practice, because that is where I see our offense having problems. This would help Frye alot because I think he is a solid lowpost player.
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2/23/2007  2:59 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

dude has no place here with franchise superduperstar eddy.

youre being sarcastic right?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/23/2007  5:05 AM
his mental weaknesses are fear of being a poster or schooled and has no heart. he doesnt like being touched physical on either defense or offense
He chooses to give up on defense a lot....he does the " i was standing there i played "d..."

physically he isnt fast enuff to guard the 3s,4s, and isnt strong enuff to guard 4s and 5s


he thinks hes earned his reputation as a shooting PF but takes many bad shots and doesnt allow to team to move the ball, rather shooting the ball with any daylight.
he has failed to improve his offensive and post moves. He is quite limited on his offensive moves and can only take advantage at times when it is a mismatch guarding him. He is limited with post moves.


with that said i think he has to work on his weaknesses physically, mentally, as well as skills with the ball and off the ball
he doesnt even box out and sacrifice his body, use his length properly to play defense or try to contend to block shots.
he still has a lot to work on to improve his game during the offseason....hes under avg on rebounder, defender, and shotblocker, help defender, for someeone his size and length. being a shooter that is and 6"11 isnt enuff.
question is even if he does improve and is avg or slightly above avg is it enuff to compliment currys deficiences as a rebounder, shotblocker, and defender.
if he does imrpove it will def. give him room in this league and add a lot more trade value.
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2/23/2007  6:32 AM
Oohah's "threaten to be an all star" call wasnt that crazy because he's a talented player. He can really score, and IS a capable defender, when he's in the spot he's comfortable in.

Awwww fish, you're a swell guy!

It's all in the featuring. Feature him in the front court and he will play a lot better, and the offense as a whole will look better because he can score from a lot of different places and we won't see everyone standing around hoping he makes the shot.

But on the other hand, he will never go 12-12 like Curry can.

I still hope Isiah will just try featuring Frye and playing Curry off of him cutting to the basket. I think we will get much more from Frye and we won't lose too much from Curry, he will still shoot 60%.

oohah

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2/23/2007  7:44 AM
Posted by fishmike:

he's not a PF. He cant guard PFs and isnt comfortable there. It totally phucks him up. Also he gets ZERO touches in the post. Last year he was often featured in the high and low post off the bench, and was putting together a fantastic rookie campain. That player is still there, but those touches arent. Those belong to Eddy now.

Its not rocket science.. seriously. I have ZERO doubt that if Eddy was traded today and Frye handed the starting center position with a REAL PF (cough Lee, not Jerome) playing the 4 that Frye would give you 20/9 in 25 minutes. He wouldnt shoot Eddy's FG % but it would be decent.

Oohah's "threaten to be an all star" call wasnt that crazy because he's a talented player. He can really score, and IS a capable defender, when he's in the spot he's comfortable in.

Curry's gain has been Frye's loss.
I agree with most of what you're saying but I think he could be used more effectively even with Curry on the team. With the shape Curry's in and his poor D, he shouldn't be getting more than 28 mpg except that Isiah has to inflate his stats. Frye should get 20 mpg at backup C and the offense should run through him in the post. Then give him about 8 mpg at PF. I think he'll then look like the rising star he looked like last year. Don't even talk about trading Frye any time soon. If you must trade him, use him correctly for a while and get his trade value back up again. He can still be a 16 and 8 or better player.
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2/23/2007  8:27 AM
First off, for as good a rookie campaing Frye had, if you remember, he struggled mightily the second half of the season save for a few games. The league simply caught up to him and started crowding him on the perimeter. To blame Isiah is unfair. Frye was simply exposed towards the second half of last yr.

Frye didn't improve or add to his game at all in the summer. He came back this yr and still can't put the ball on the floor. He balked up over the summer, but if you look at him now, he looks as if he lost all the weight he gained and seems to be the same size he was during last season. Frye still can't turn over his right shoulder and shoot the lefty hook. Until he works on those areas, he is going to continue to struggle.
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2/23/2007  8:59 AM
Frye started off great last season, but started a real big dip the last couple of months, which is why his final stats were as low as they were. However, when he was playing well, he was posting up, and hitting mid range shots from pick and rolls. And the always tries hard at everything he does. Unfortunately, if we're serious about building around Eddy (I definitely don't want to) then it's time to trade Frye, cause it's not working with him and Eddie.
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2/23/2007  9:04 AM
Welcome to the club, babyknicks.
I've been rooting for this dude for the entire year and I've been convince by the UK Mafia.

This kid sucks...but WHY?

I'm with nyk4ever on this one. I just never thought Frye was that good either. I don't think he's talented enough to be a starting NBA PF. His defense is relatively lame, although I did and do feel he has the potential to become a fair shot blocker. His game reminded me a lot of Raef LaFrentz, but I felt Raef was a better player coming out of college. Raef also can shoot from longer distance (three-pointer range) and Raef is a very good shot blocker, even though the other aspects of his defense are sub-par. The bottom line is that, Frye is a jump shooting big man. He can put up points that way, but he doesn't have a great inside game, he's a sub-par rebounder, he's sub-par defensively.

Last year he got a lot of minutes, played well and thought he was a star. This year he got a reality check and his confidence is shot. Some of that has to do with Isiah, but I say more of it is his own talent. He thought he'd be threatening to make the all-star team. Instead, he didn't even threaten to make the rookie-sophmore game. Hopefully he'll get his head together, realize that he's NOT going to be a *great* player, but he can be a good one, and possibly even be a starter at the center position, if he works on the flaws in his game. However, I do think he will need to be traded, because he might not get enough of an opportunity when we already have Eddy Curry at center. Curry and Frye's defense is so bad that we can't afford to even consider putting them both on the court at the same time. That's a real problem. Severe.
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2/23/2007  9:26 AM
He is soft plain and simple, everyone knew it now he is showing it
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2/23/2007  1:37 PM
To add to that frye is slow as a snail, his movements are mechanical.

He reminds me of a true "surburban kid" trying to play a pick up game uptown.


He would be better suited to play on a team out in Cali where he would be able to EXHALE!
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