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djsunyc
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2/21/2007  3:15 PM
VENT MS!!!! VENT!!!!

don't let these ******* ****** ****** haters hold you down!!!!
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2/21/2007  3:15 PM
HL is that you?
djsunyc
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2/21/2007  3:19 PM
Posted by MS:

its passion and love......

Fine NYK

this is just the hors'doeurve

i can't wait till your "jamal's half man half pansy" thread. now that's gonna start some fireworks...
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2/21/2007  3:21 PM
just what i thought... all talk.
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2/21/2007  3:29 PM
I hope Eddy will be as intense in playing as you are in posting
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2/21/2007  3:40 PM
I guess the fact that teams HAVE TO focus their defense on stopping Curry carries no weight? This team avg's 100 ppg and for the most part we don't even get consistent scoring from the other players from night to night, but since we absolutely crush teams in the paint on offense, FT's and on the boards, it doesn't even matter. What this team needs to do is to cut down on the TO's. Forget about blocked shots. That's nice to have, but really his offensive presence has a much greater effect on the game. Curry isn't perfect but he's still an effective weapon for this team.

Why can't we just accept what he's doing so far and hope to see him continue to try and improve his game. He's passing more and that's a good thing. The more he does these things the better he'll get. I'm not sure that he'll ever be an effective shotblocker, but I think he can rebound better.
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2/21/2007  3:55 PM
All i am asking is jump from time to time show a little effort, put your hands up that doesn't take a ton of effort, just threaten to move, its easy to get 1blk a game.......
Masterplan
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2/21/2007  3:58 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I guess the fact that teams HAVE TO focus their defense on stopping Curry carries no weight? This team avg's 100 ppg and for the most part we don't even get consistent scoring from the other players from night to night, but since we absolutely crush teams in the paint on offense, FT's and on the boards, it doesn't even matter. What this team needs to do is to cut down on the TO's.

our TO's aren't directly related to when teams "focus their defense on stopping Curry"?

i really find this argument that teams "gameplan" around eddy to be BS. teams gameplan for every team they face, from the mavs and suns to the grizz and celts. or at least that's what their coaching staffs (staves?) get paid for. we're a sub-.500 team. it's unclear whether its the gameplan or talent that loses us games, but incidentally, both of those go back to the same guy...

i give eddy credit for keeping his scoring up despite the focus defenses have on him. but to translate his game into wins for the team, he has to do more in aspects of the game other than putting the ball in the hoop.
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2/21/2007  3:59 PM
Posted by MS:

All i am asking is jump from time to time show a little effort, put your hands up that doesn't take a ton of effort, just threaten to move, its easy to get 1blk a game.......

Well that's much different from how you came across at the start of this thread. WE ALL want Curry to do those things. I just don't think what he has been giving us is any less important to the team cuz he's not so good at rebounds and blocked shots.
If we win tonight we'll have gone 7-3 in the last 10 games. That's pretty good.
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2/21/2007  4:03 PM
My problem with Eddy, is he just doesn't care he is a paycheck player and you don't win with guys like that, he gets a inked up with a message that makes no sense. I have to listen to this E-City Bull**** when he doesn't take the time to play both ends.....

If you like basketball I just don't see how you can respect Currys game, his hands are constantly at his side and if you watch him he forgets to box out and just lets players have open rain on the rim. When was the last time he really committed a hard foul on someone driving?
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2/21/2007  4:03 PM
oh yeah, a few observations on eddy's conditioning:

i don't think conditioning is the biggest issue. throughout the game, eddy is often one of the first knicks down the court... on offense. he chugs down there and gets his position, with good results usually. but he is regularly the last player from either team to be even in the frame when we go from offense to defense. sometimes it's arguing with refs. sometimes it's just straight up letting the scrub center he's marking beat him down. that i interpret as desire, not conditioning.

that said, i would be interested in looking at his non-scoring stats by quarter, especially blocks. my unscientific expectation would be that 75% of his blocks or more come in the first quarter, when he's got the fresh legs to jump for blocks, rebounds to a lesser extent. anyone know where those stats may be available?
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2/21/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nixluva:

I guess the fact that teams HAVE TO focus their defense on stopping Curry carries no weight? This team avg's 100 ppg and for the most part we don't even get consistent scoring from the other players from night to night, but since we absolutely crush teams in the paint on offense, FT's and on the boards, it doesn't even matter. What this team needs to do is to cut down on the TO's.

our TO's aren't directly related to when teams "focus their defense on stopping Curry"?

i really find this argument that teams "gameplan" around eddy to be BS. teams gameplan for every team they face, from the mavs and suns to the grizz and celts. or at least that's what their coaching staffs (staves?) get paid for. we're a sub-.500 team. it's unclear whether its the gameplan or talent that loses us games, but incidentally, both of those go back to the same guy...

i give eddy credit for keeping his scoring up despite the focus defenses have on him. but to translate his game into wins for the team, he has to do more in aspects of the game other than putting the ball in the hoop.

I think you misunderstood my post. I never said that the other teams were the reason why we committed so many TO's. In fact I feel most of our TO's are unforced. We're just sloppy.

In regard to the Gameplanning. IF teams don't focus an extreme amount of attention on Curry he'll score at OVER 58%, which is what he's doing with teams doing everything they can to try and stop him. It's not B.S. when one guy consistently draws 2 and 3 defenders. That's warping a defensive scheme. Most coaches want to play man to man straight up and they CAN'T play us that way.
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2/21/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:



I think you misunderstood my post. I never said that the other teams were the reason why we committed so many TO's. In fact I feel most of our TO's are unforced. We're just sloppy.

In regard to the Gameplanning. IF teams don't focus an extreme amount of attention on Curry he'll score at OVER 58%, which is what he's doing with teams doing everything they can to try and stop him. It's not B.S. when one guy consistently draws 2 and 3 defenders. That's warping a defensive scheme. Most coaches want to play man to man straight up and they CAN'T play us that way.

Just to kind of play devils advocate here.

I know often times you say that what makes Curry so good is that teams gameplan to try and STOP Curry. The same could be said that teams also gameplan to go right to their big men offensively and score on Eddy.
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2/21/2007  4:15 PM
Eddy Curry being in the game gets the other team in foul trouble early. So all the Knicks benefit from getting to the line earlier in the quarter because we dumped it down to EDDY and he got hacked trying to score.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/21/2007  4:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think you misunderstood my post. I never said that the other teams were the reason why we committed so many TO's. In fact I feel most of our TO's are unforced. We're just sloppy.

In regard to the Gameplanning. IF teams don't focus an extreme amount of attention on Curry he'll score at OVER 58%, which is what he's doing with teams doing everything they can to try and stop him. It's not B.S. when one guy consistently draws 2 and 3 defenders. That's warping a defensive scheme. Most coaches want to play man to man straight up and they CAN'T play us that way.

i think eddy's share of our TO's are not sloppy- they're mostly the other team taking advantage. it's something he can work on, but for now, that aspect of other teams' gameplan is successful.

i think eddy's turnovers and poor passing negate the advantage he has in drawing the second defender. it's impressive when he can beat the two guys- especially with his nice spin to the baseline for the short hookshot. but too many times he loses the ball or gets it stolen or throws it away, or gets jammed up and our offense stagnates because he can't find someone to pass to.

i'm exaggerating here, just trying to point out the many ways our eddy offense can go awry. for the most part he scores at a good clip, definitely. when he learns the things i'm talking about, he'll go from a guy putting up good stats to someone who consistently wins games for his team.

i just don't buy the gameplan thing. forcing a doubleteam is good. but good teams can be prepared, pull it off well and not get burned. forcing teams to gameplan is just that- they gameplan, and can still beat us. even shaq, the extreme upside of eddy's offense, could be gameplanned for and beaten. it's a positive and something to build on, but i don't see what's so magical about it.
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2/21/2007  4:43 PM
Posted by kam77:

Eddy Curry being in the game gets the other team in foul trouble early. So all the Knicks benefit from getting to the line earlier in the quarter because we dumped it down to EDDY and he got hacked trying to score.

that's happened a few times this year, i agree... i've seen Ben Wallace & Dwight Howard get into early foul trouble guarding Curry down low & it benefitted all our penetrators also by getting rid of their shotblocking presence down low... of course there are games when Curry gets into early foul trouble too, which is why i think Turd is starting games right now.

i keep saying it, we just need to bring in a shotblocker & Curry's weakness on D wouldn't be as noticeable... i hope Isiah nabs Sean Williams from BC w/CHI's pick this year.
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2/21/2007  4:58 PM
At least an offensive charging foul is just a personal foul and does not count as a team foul.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/21/2007  5:24 PM
That Hedo Turkeyglue play last night took the cake. My oh my if Turkeyglue doesn't have butter fingers that was the most free pass to the rim play if I ever saw one.
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2/21/2007  11:36 PM
this game was a case in point for how ridiculous the "tehy have to gameplan for curry!" argument is. looks like philly did its homework and "gameplanned" for E-city... and pretty much contained him while they were pulling away. all it took was fronting him with an athletic defender and contesting the feed. didn't work every time, but they did enough to help them run away with this one.

it was just one game. i'm not blaming curry for the loss. he's human. if Superman was our starting PG, the other team would just "gameplan" to bring some kryptonite and they can still take the game.

i'd just really like to put that buzzword to rest.
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2/22/2007  9:25 AM
Curry had a typical Curry game... he shot a high percentage & got his points while playing weak defensively... nobody else came to play last night other than Balkman... that was a pitiful performance by the entire team.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-22-2007 09:25 AM]
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