Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by islesfan:

What do they do about Curry's deficiencies on the boards?

lol, they lead the league in rebounding.

So it's ok if Curry gives up boards to the other team?

The Knicks lead the league in rebounding but are 7 games under .500. Do you think that if Curry helped on out the boards and played some defense that it might have an impact on the outcome of games?

obviously. but it's not they can do much better at rebounding, they lead the league and are in one of the top slots as far as % of rebs grabbed. defense, shotblocking, turnovers, shot selection, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

So how on earth are they 7 games under .500 and on the outside looking in on the playoffs?

If there are stats saying that the Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the league, that's exhibit A that stats don't always tell the whole story.

Besides who you would want want to switch teams with
"great fans that we are" im down with the rebuild. I think with 2-3 years of youth development we could have a contender

Posted by EnySpree:

Regardless how you look at it, the knicks need to rebuild. Not saying that the knicks need to just burn and keep drafting till the knicks get lucky.

Flat out the knicks need change! The biggest mistake the knicks ever made to date was buying out rose and Taylor. Right now the knicks could have picked and choosed between anybody they wanted on the block right now. That's spilled milk.

The knicks have to delete the duplicate players, and fill in the holes to what works.

Right now its clear, the knicks need a point guard off the bench. Knicks need a guy like Nate just 10" taller. They need Balkman to be in the rotation. They need a true scorer at the 3. They could also use a goon that will be bringing the pain behind David Lee and curry.

The time is now to change. A decision has to be made NOW!

As far as the offense? I like dumping it to curry but the knicks should have an immediate plan B to go to when its not working. THEY DON'T!

Trades have to happen. The knicks are at a cross roads I keep telling you guys that.

The problem is that when the knicks talk trades, teams demand guys like lee and frye and crawford, just to get guys like ridnour, and tyronne lue LOL... Yet a team like NJ can trade vince and get talent like odom,magetti and picks, unprotected!!!!! Right now, what we have to trade, we don't want to give up....

this team isn't rebuilding. Isiah doesn't care about developing young players, he wants to win games. of course the young players will develop on their own anyway, but the knicks never changed in their philosophy to win as many games as possible, but at least Isiah made the roster somewhat younger at the same time. but I'm not sure we have a player to build around, nor do we have a particularly good philosophy, so I don't understand how this team would ever become very good. also I still don't know what the plan is for remaining competetive when marbury's knees/contract expires.


[Edited by - slimpack on 02-19-2007 09:02 AM]

How dealing with houston:

Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Shane Battier
6-8 SF from Duke
10.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.1 minutes
Bob Sura
6-5 from Florida State
No games yet played in 2006/07
Jake Tsakalidis
7-2 C from Greece (Foreign)
2.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.1 apg in 11.4 minutes
Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
7.4 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes
Luther Head
6-3 PG from Illinois
11.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.5 minutes
Incoming
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
2.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.1 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.5 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
10.2 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.9 minutes
Kelvin Cato
6-11 C from Iowa State
1.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 5.8 minutes



That gives us some balance to the lineup clears a little space and makes us a very solid team while improving our defense

Marbury/Francis
Richardson/Wells
Battier/Head
Lee/Balkman
Curry/Jefferies

I think that van gundy would welcome the move alhtough i know they love head and battier, maybe we can through in our pick this year.....

Crawford
McGrady
Frye
Ming

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by holfresh:



I like all of what Nixula had to say...The Knicks are rebuilding but not in a traditional kind of way..Number of victories was not as important to me as the development of the young players..

If the knicks are rebuilding in ANY kind of way than it must have started this season.

also I have a question. what do you see the starting lineup of this team being in their championship year?



[Edited by - slimpack on 02-19-2007 09:27 AM]

Well that's the whole point isn't it...All the pieces aren't here yet...We need to see how Curry,Frye and Lee turns out...I would do nothing going into 2009 when we can get under the cap...At that point we will lose one of our bigs Lee or Frye for nothing...I would make a big run at a free agent that year...We may have to lose a pick like Balkman as well..But if Curry and Lee or Frye develops then we have a core with a superstar...In the mean time I'll try drafting a point guard and swing players...But our bigs need to impove in their defense drastically or it would be a failed product....Curry bad defense I can live with because he is such a monster on the offensive end..But Lee and Frye has to improve or they are both gone....

Posted by MS:

if we can move crawford for magette it would be a huge upgrade and give us better rebounding out of the guard positions and someone that is going to get to the free throw line, isiah won't do it because he is shortsighted and brought crawford in and was held at ransom to sign him

Huge upgrade?...Craw is a better scorer and assist guy...Maggetti rebounds better defends better but he is not a great defender...Maggetti had never played anywhere near to a full season since coming to the league and he is 27, he is not getting any healthier...He never struck me as a team player and I really can't see him thriving in a half court offense...I think he will be more successful in an uptempo style team...I really don't see how he helps Curry...

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by holfresh:



I like all of what Nixula had to say...The Knicks are rebuilding but not in a traditional kind of way..Number of victories was not as important to me as the development of the young players..

If the knicks are rebuilding in ANY kind of way than it must have started this season.

also I have a question. what do you see the starting lineup of this team being in their championship year?



[Edited by - slimpack on 02-19-2007 09:27 AM]

Well that's the whole point isn't it...All the pieces aren't here yet...We need to see how Curry,Frye and Lee turns out...I would do nothing going into 2009 when we can get under the cap...At that point we will lose one of our bigs Lee or Frye for nothing...I would make a big run at a free agent that year...We may have to lose a pick like Balkman as well..But if Curry and Lee or Frye develops then we have a core with a superstar...In the mean time I'll try drafting a point guard and swing players...But our bigs need to impove in their defense drastically or it would be a failed product....Curry bad defense I can live with because he is such a monster on the offensive end..But Lee and Frye has to improve or they are both gone....

you know, that actually does make sense. but I don't confidence in isiah to go through with a plan like that. but I thought Isiah supporters poo poo the idea of not doing much for consecutive seasons and getting under the cap, because of how over rated getting under the cap is, and because of how dolan would never allow it and so forth.

anyway If I thought Isiah actually did planned on getting under the cap I probably wouldn't even have any problems with him. but the thing is I'm pretty sure he doesn't. I think he's just going to keep making win now moves, but try to maintain some semblance of youth at the same time. and there are other problems with Isiah as well but I don't feel like getting into them right now.

[Edited by - slimpack on 02-19-2007 11:52 AM]

Posted by MS:

i love how people like crawford, he does more harm than good when he is on the court and if you can live with a great game then a ****ty game be my guest, magette has two less years on his deal and give us more size at the two i will take it.

Crawford not only give up points with his defense but his shot selection always starts fast breaks.....if your going to shoot all the time i think nate can shoot a higher percentage...

Marbury
Magette
Q
Lee
Curry

Is a much better starting unit and anytime you can get a defensive upgrade you take it. You need to start getting rid of these contracts now

Craw does more thing for a team than Maggetti will ever do...How do you see Maghetti playing next to Curry in a half court set?