Posted by holfresh:

Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Posted by holfresh:


Name one starting 2 guard that can guard Crawford???

I'd see your point if he was consistent. Even then, who cares? Defense wins games. Plenty of offense on this team. 6 out of 10 games, Crawford is a bad shooter. 10 out of 10 games, Crawford is a horrible defender. Doesn't add up to victories if you ask me.

If you are so concerned about the defense of this team...How about looking at the positions where it is more important to be a good defender..Like Center and PF...At those positions, they need to deter penetrators and low post/high percentage scorers...Worrying about defense on jump shooters isn't prudent if you ask me..The last 10 Knick losses..Craw throughly outplayed his counterpart, its not even close...Go on, check out the numbers...The Knicks have a lot of defensive issues, it doesn't start with Crawford...

Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Posted by holfresh:


Name one starting 2 guard that can guard Crawford???

I'd see your point if he was consistent. Even then, who cares? Defense wins games. Plenty of offense on this team. 6 out of 10 games, Crawford is a bad shooter. 10 out of 10 games, Crawford is a horrible defender. Doesn't add up to victories if you ask me.

If you are so concerned about the defense of this team...How about looking at the positions where it is more important to be a good defender..Like Center and PF...At those positions, they need to deter penetrators and low post/high percentage scorers...Worrying about defense on jump shooters isn't prudent if you ask me..The last 10 Knick losses..Craw throughly outplayed his counterpart, its not even close...Go on, check out the numbers...The Knicks have a lot of defensive issues, it doesn't start with Crawford...

Are you serious? Crawford thoroughly outplayed his counterpart? lol. I was at the Golden State game and Crawford's defense had me and my girlfriend (who isn't a b-ball genius by any means) LAUGHING. It was actually comical how bad his ilmp, spineless, dead fish defense was.

We do need defenders at other positions as well, but guys like Curry and Lee are at least consistent on offense night in and night out. Curry has to be game planned against. You need two guys on him which changes everything for us.

And who said anything about jumpshooters? Crawford is getting blown by consitently. Nobody is jump shooting on him. They are driving to the hoop at will.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Posted by holfresh:


Name one starting 2 guard that can guard Crawford???

I'd see your point if he was consistent. Even then, who cares? Defense wins games. Plenty of offense on this team. 6 out of 10 games, Crawford is a bad shooter. 10 out of 10 games, Crawford is a horrible defender. Doesn't add up to victories if you ask me.

If you are so concerned about the defense of this team...How about looking at the positions where it is more important to be a good defender..Like Center and PF...At those positions, they need to deter penetrators and low post/high percentage scorers...Worrying about defense on jump shooters isn't prudent if you ask me..The last 10 Knick losses..Craw throughly outplayed his counterpart, its not even close...Go on, check out the numbers...The Knicks have a lot of defensive issues, it doesn't start with Crawford...

Are you serious? Crawford thoroughly outplayed his counterpart? lol. I was at the Golden State game and Crawford's defense had me and my girlfriend (who isn't a b-ball genius by any means) LAUGHING. It was actually comical how bad his ilmp, spineless, dead fish defense was.

We do need defenders at other positions as well, but guys like Curry and Lee are at least consistent on offense night in and night out. Curry has to be game planned against. You need two guys on him which changes everything for us.

And who said anything about jumpshooters? Crawford is getting blown by consitently. Nobody is jump shooting on him. They are driving to the hoop at will.

Did you check out the numbers for the last 10 Knick losses???

Please don't make me have to post it..I really don't want to do the leg work..



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-18-2007 8:52 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:



Of course it does, but one of the reasons Bowen is so effective is because of San Antonio team defense and Tim Duncan interior defense...In the NBA, it is difficult to keep guards on the perimeter..Please see Marbs and Craw on a nightly basis...You need interior defenders...Make no bones(pun) about it...

I agree about Bowen, but he's not alone on that team. Ginobli and Parker are above-average defenders themselves. When you have your whole backcourt playing good defense on the perimeter, it makes it a very easy job for the big men down low. I'm not going to even come close to discrediting Tim Duncan because he's a fine defensive player, but his job downlow is made easier because of the frontcourts ability to keep their men infront of them.

I think Marbury has played good defense this year, Crawford(a guy I've backed to no end) has been lacking, along with the rest of the team. If these guys in the frontcourt were doing a better job keeping their players in front of them, I doubt ANY of us are talking about Eddy Curry's defense and he's probably playing in the All-Star game.

Just my opinion though.

Agreed. We need to get some better fortification up at the top.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:



Of course it does, but one of the reasons Bowen is so effective is because of San Antonio team defense and Tim Duncan interior defense...In the NBA, it is difficult to keep guards on the perimeter..Please see Marbs and Craw on a nightly basis...You need interior defenders...Make no bones(pun) about it...

I agree about Bowen, but he's not alone on that team. Ginobli and Parker are above-average defenders themselves. When you have your whole backcourt playing good defense on the perimeter, it makes it a very easy job for the big men down low. I'm not going to even come close to discrediting Tim Duncan because he's a fine defensive player, but his job downlow is made easier because of the frontcourts ability to keep their men infront of them.

I think Marbury has played good defense this year, Crawford(a guy I've backed to no end) has been lacking, along with the rest of the team. If these guys in the frontcourt were doing a better job keeping their players in front of them, I doubt ANY of us are talking about Eddy Curry's defense and he's probably playing in the All-Star game.

Just my opinion though.

I don't think Parker is the defensive genius you are making him out to be...Funny how you forget about Lee in all this, whose man is usually the prolific scorer more so than any other...I don't recall many centers putting up big numbers on Curry..

Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Posted by EnySpree:

This is a stupid conversation.

If Jamals defense so laughable, be a smart guy and say who you think can do a better job.

I think its a joke to state the obvious yet don't say who you think could do a better job.

Also, who are the top defenders at the 2 in the league?

What? Who could do a better job? I'm pretty sure every other starting 2 guard in the league could do a better job. As far as our team is concerned...Marbs, Q Rich, Balkman could all play MUCH better D.

Don't know who the best defending guards in the league are buth Kobe, Parker, Rip, Kidd, Hughes, Bowen, all come to mind...

Spree is right, it's silly...