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nyk4ever
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2/18/2007  12:38 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Now on the Rashard...The Knicks does not need scoring, they need defense...The Knicks are usually in games and can score so thats not the problem...You can't really tell what type of defender a player is unless he plays for your team...You have to see his games night in and night out...I'm not saying Rashard is not a good defender, his numbers defensively doesn't show it..We need a player to help control the paint and defend in the post...I haven't seen much of Rashard but I doubt he is that...
The Knicks would be wise to trade for players that would help in places of need..I wouldn't trade key pieces for add ons when it won't take us to the next level...Rashard helps with three point shooting, these type of players can be had at much cheaper rates...


Thats my entire thought, not just the segregated parts that illustrates your point...

Your right Holfresh. My mistake.
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2/18/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...
which is why Eddy is such a problem despite all his scoring. You can live with a below average defense, but you have to control the glass. You cant give up easy shots AND 2nd chance points. If Eddy would just attack the glass he really could be a franchise guy. There's no excuse for a guy with his size and athletic skills to NOT average 11-12 per 35-38 minutes.

Fish if you really want to be honest...Eddy, Lee and Frye is our problem...They have not been trying to stop anyone...You cannot live with below average defense when all three of the guys at center and PF all play below average...You are confusing controlling the boards with defense...Good rebounding is important but as a power forward and a center you also have to control the lanes and defend easy interior baskets...It's a huge problem with our front line...


The onus is on Eddy because he's making 10million bucks, which is a significant part of our cap situation. Eddy needs to play a game that resembles that of a 10million dollar a year contract player. This is also his 6th year in the league, it's about time he starts putting some effort into defense, instead of just offense.

Onto Rashard... I don't agree with this notion that Rashard doesn't play defense AT ALL, he's an average defensive player, nothing more, nothing less. If this team put Rashard on the wing with Eddy downlow, it would extend the defense from the SF position, a more natural fit than Frye trying to stretch the floor from the PF spot. Rashard is also a dead-on shooter who can put up big numbers within a blink of the eye. He can shoot, he's got a good midrange game, he's got a good 3pt game and he can put the ball on the floor. This team needs a player like Rashard in the worse way.

I still hold out hope for Eddy as a defender. He has the athleticism to be a solid defender, he just needs to lose a little more weight and bring more focus on that end of the floor. Now that he is getting more respect as a scorer, the refs will give him a little more leeway, so he needs to show up more on defense. The funny thing about Eddy, as he has shown this year, is that he is the type of player that can just one day "get it." I still hope that once the coaching staff really focuses on developing him as a defender, that his light will click on, as it did on the offensive end, and he will become at least an average interior defender.
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2/18/2007  12:47 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I still hold out hope for Eddy as a defender. He has the athleticism to be a solid defender, he just needs to lose a little more weight and bring more focus on that end of the floor. Now that he is getting more respect as a scorer, the refs will give him a little more leeway, so he needs to show up more on defense. The funny thing about Eddy, as he has shown this year, is that he is the type of player that can just one day "get it." I still hope that once the coaching staff really focuses on developing him as a defender, that his light will click on, as it did on the offensive end, and he will become at least an average interior defender.

I agree Game. I'm not going to say Eddy will never be atleast somewhat defensive minded, but I do have my doubts. I do know for a fact that he has the talent and athleticism to become this type of player, theres no denying that. No matter how anyone feels, whether they think he can do it, or he can't do it, this teams future rides on Eddy shoulders. All we can do is hope.
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2/18/2007  12:55 PM

The only way the Knicks take it to the next level is stepping it up defensively...Right now they are playing like a .500 team the last two months and a half months...I think adding scoring just will mask our problems and won't help us in achieving our ultimate goal, a Championship...We are far away from that but young enough to get it right...We have to add defensive pieces...Eddy, Lee and Frye has to commit themselves defensively for us to be successful...Our front line is porous...
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2/18/2007  1:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TheGame:

I still hold out hope for Eddy as a defender. He has the athleticism to be a solid defender, he just needs to lose a little more weight and bring more focus on that end of the floor. Now that he is getting more respect as a scorer, the refs will give him a little more leeway, so he needs to show up more on defense. The funny thing about Eddy, as he has shown this year, is that he is the type of player that can just one day "get it." I still hope that once the coaching staff really focuses on developing him as a defender, that his light will click on, as it did on the offensive end, and he will become at least an average interior defender.

No matter how anyone feels, whether they think he can do it, or he can't do it, this teams future rides on Eddy shoulders. All we can do is hope.
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2/18/2007  1:28 PM
Rashard is going to want big money and he is kind of fragile.

Hollfresh said it best: its a starphuch!

I just can't see them taking on Q's back/contract. Team losing money would rather lose him for nothing then take on money on less talent.

Unless they really want the Special one and Frye.
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2/18/2007  1:36 PM
yeah, not interested, we'd be the worst defensive seives in the league.
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2/18/2007  1:38 PM
Rashard Lewis is a good player but he is a little soft. I'm just remembering that Seattle/spurs series where he was in effective and playing scared and cost Seattle the series.

As far as the knicks, rashards style of play helps the team.he can run, he can shoot it, and he can take his man. He's very athletic.

How the knicks get him I dunno.
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2/18/2007  1:44 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Rashard is going to want big money and he is kind of fragile.

Hollfresh said it best: its a starphuch!

I just can't see them taking on Q's back/contract. Team losing money would rather lose him for nothing then take on money on less talent.

Unless they really want the Special one and Frye.


Nate would put people in the stands, which is always good but they would have to trade Watson or Ridnour and I agree that they probably don't want Q. If Atlanta really has a deal for Ridnour, then Seattle would be interested in Nate and they could use a scoring PF like Frye. The problem then becomes what do they do with Allen, because these moves are clearly rebuilding moves and Allen is not going to want to stay for that. Basically, Seattle would need to just start over and trade Allen.

Thinking about it, it would be good for them. They could trade Ridnour to Atlanta for say a Childress. You trade Lewis for Frye, Nate (local hero) and Rose or Jeffries to make the deal work. You then trade Allen for expiring contracts, a high draft pick, and a young prospect. Seattle still has their center prospects from the past 2-3 years. Tank the rest of the season and have a better shot of landing Durant or Oden. With that base, they should be able to rebuild a competitive team in 2 years with a very manageable payroll.





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2/18/2007  3:30 PM
Lewis for Malik and Frye. If you're just gonna re-tool rather than rebuild, this trade would help the team win more games.
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2/18/2007  4:41 PM
Eddy is not THE problem on D. He may help to clean up the poor D that's being played on the perimeter, but he's not the source of the problem. In today's Post game deficient league, A teams D starts on the outside. Most teams run an attack that really doesn't feature a lot of center oriented post play. Right now Steph has been playing better, but we still have holes due to Jamal and Frye/Lee/Q/Francis, heck even Jared. Centers haven't been the source of our problems, guards and SF's have been killing us. Curry being slow to react an help is a HUGE problem, but as Holfresh mentioned, none of our other bigs has done a great job in that dept. either. Lastly it's been the 3 pointer that has killed us mroe than anything else. Since our guys are so scared to play up on their man for fear of getting burned, they tend to give too much room to shooters and they also don't recover back to the 3pt line quick enough on double teams, so teams that today are more perimeter oriented LOVE to play us, cuz they love to shoot. ie the Bulls, Wiz etc.
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2/18/2007  6:11 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I like adding Lewis. I think for now, our teams needs to follow a "just try to outscore you" mentality. I am not saying that defense should not be taught or that these players cannot improve, but with our personnel, we are never going to be a Spur/Detriot type of defensive team. Adding Lewis would really bring balance to our offense, allow Lee to start, and reduce our reliance on Crawford as our primary perimeter scorer. Dallas spent years developing their offense and then slowly added defensive players and a defensive mentality. I would like to see if this team can learn to beat people with offense and then develop into a better defensive team. Right now, the offense is solid but not great. Lewis could help change that.

Yeah, I feel that way too........... where do I sign????

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2/18/2007  6:38 PM
the funny thing about rashard is that his defensive stats are good, but he's only average.

i think he'd be a good guy to add, but wouldn't we benefit more from a kapono coming off the bench, and an artest in the lineup instead?
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2/18/2007  6:42 PM
I don't think the Heat are trading Kapono unless they get something very good. Lewis doesn't have the character issues Artest has.
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2/18/2007  9:09 PM
Kapono is worthless.
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2/18/2007  9:14 PM
rashard lewis does what for us exactly?

we have quentin and jj signed long term at the 3 spot. not to mention a guy we just drafted.

what do we have to give up and who goes to the bench?

i feel rashard is more of an open court shooter, and not really a half court shooter. and we need a 1/2 court one b/c that's our offense.
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2/18/2007  9:15 PM
Lewis is agood rebounder and avg 1.6 steal per game. Hes not a bad defender... hes an improvement over Q Rich but It doesent solve our inside defense #1 problem
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2/18/2007  9:20 PM
Posted by Elite:

Lewis is agood rebounder and avg 1.6 steal per game. Hes not a bad defender... hes an improvement over Q Rich but It doesent solve our inside defense #1 problem

the problem is that this team should run it more but since our focal point is curry, it's difficult to do. just like in our rebulding efforts where we are stuck in between win now and rebuild, we are also stuck between 1/2 court and open court.
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2/18/2007  9:53 PM
The Knicks have nothing to offer Seattle. Unless you want to part with Curry or Lee. In my view, they are untouchable for this offer. Marbury makes too much and so does Francis. Besides, they wouldn't want them.
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2/18/2007  9:56 PM
Curry, Frye, and Nate for Lewis and their #1 pick this year?
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