A center with career averages of 5 rebounds and not 1blk tells me a lot about a player. Not to mention that in his entire tenure in this league he has only entered training camp in shape once.

Scoring is the easy part of the game, it doesn't mean that it doesn't involve skill and work, but there is nothing selfless about it. If you going to be a good player you work on every aspect of your game. Eddy is turnover prone, can't pass the ball out of a double team, doesn't rebound, doesn't help on defense, never rotates, rarely jumps for rebounds or even use his body on defense, and can't score outside 8 feet, so in all honesty how hard is he really working. This is his 6th year in the league I believe, if he was really making the effort he would have something to show other than some great low post moves.

If your a big guy you want to bang and mix it up, contact is fun if your not a busy overpowering a person and dominating them in the low post is taking away their pride and manhood, and frankly anyone involved with this organization from a coaching standpoint can laugh in my face and i will laugh right back at them.

I think a majority of basketball fans would agree with me, and its not that impressive to average 19 a game if you are the center of the offense on a ****ty team. And most of what I say is correct I could care less if someone that has probably never played the game disagrees with me.

Why is Tim Thomas not a fair comparision, both players have an unreal skill set size and athleticism, don't but fourth any effort on defense, never work to create offense if its not created for them, they show you glimpes of the force they can be and then tail off. You wonder why they are not better, don't rebound or give more effort to the game. They are paycheck players who play the game for money and not love....

hahaha... you're a funny guy... u should show up to a basketball game sometime... i'm not saying i'm good, but i've played the game before & if you wanna show me how good you are i'd be happy to guard you & let u show me what u got... don't expect me to get many points tho cuz my handle sux & my jumper isn't anything to write home about either.

Posted by MS:

Scoring is the easy part of the game, it doesn't mean that it doesn't involve skill and work, but there is nothing selfless about it.

I agree with almost everything on this topic except on this sentence. In my opinion every aspect of the game is equally difficult to learn.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by MS:

Don't think Frye is all that promising, still hasn't grabbed 10 rebounds this season and doesn't really have enough lateral movement, or know how to use his body which he should know by now.....

I would take (Amare, Howard, Okarfur, Bosh and Bynum) They are all really centers

And if you look at Bynum he is 5 years younger than Eddy and is already a better defender, passer, rebounder, he scoring will come as he has nice hands and moves around the basket

Frye has had 8 rebounds in the first half two times this season only to be benched in the second had..DLee had to get his time...

The reason Isiah still has a job is the 19,763 people that show up at the Garden every home game...Have you been there yet this season???

So you're saying that Isiah is a bad coach, right?

So you think they've sold out every game this season?

Where have you been?

Everyone in the league seems to recognize the job the improvement the team is displaying. All of the opposing coaches, players seem to acknowledge that Eddy and the Knicks are headed in the right direction. Everyone knows what Eddie must do, Eddie knows what he must do. It's like Clyde says if Eddy can move himself into the 20+ and 10 reb group, its hall of fame numbers. He can do that especially at his age. I find it funny how many here discredit his ability to score the basketball, his ability to change the game, draw double teams; like any one can do that. The fact is, not many can do it, and the few that can are no where near Curry's size and strength. The problem I have with many bashing Curry, is you bashed him since he got here and the season where he finally gives us something that we hoped for and shows great progress, you nit pick and say well he is garbage because he doesnt rebound. You make it sound like he cant improve in the different areas of the game. Honestly at his age, the sky is the limit for him, you put the right people around him and we have a good chance. Can he win it by himself ? No, but then again how many people could win it by them selves. With the exception of the Pistons team, everyone else had a 1, 2 punch when it came to all stars.

Posted by Michael6835:

Everyone in the league seems to recognize the job the improvement the team is displaying. All of the opposing coaches, players seem to acknowledge that Eddy and the Knicks are headed in the right direction. Everyone knows what Eddie must do, Eddie knows what he must do. It's like Clyde says if Eddy can move himself into the 20+ and 10 reb group, its hall of fame numbers. He can do that especially at his age. I find it funny how many here discredit his ability to score the basketball, his ability to change the game, draw double teams; like any one can do that. The fact is, not many can do it, and the few that can are no where near Curry's size and strength. The problem I have with many bashing Curry, is you bashed him since he got here and the season where he finally gives us something that we hoped for and shows great progress, you nit pick and say well he is garbage because he doesnt rebound. You make it sound like he cant improve in the different areas of the game. Honestly at his age, the sky is the limit for him, you put the right people around him and we have a good chance. Can he win it by himself ? No, but then again how many people could win it by them selves. With the exception of the Pistons team, everyone else had a 1, 2 punch when it came to all stars.

Totally agree with you here. People keep knocking Curry for not being a so-called franchise player who you can;t build around. But you can definitely build with Curry. Put the right pieces around Curry and you can definitely compete for a chip. As I've said before, put Curry on that bulls team right now, and they are pick-em with the Pistons to get to the finals.

No one ever doubted his ability to score:

Eddy Positives

Positives
-Great hands and touch around the basket
-Very strong on the low block
-Can score from either side of the block and gets great position, very effective hook shot
-Draws double teams and can get opposing players into foul trouble

Negatives
Rebounding and defense are two things that take effort.
-Eddy is up to 7rbs this year, however his career averages are in the 5's which is terrible
-Against the Heat he tried for three quarters and had 10rbs, thats why its frustrating
-He doesn't try on defense, doesn't rotate, doesn't body his man, can be bodied by strong players and struggles against stronger players
-25 pounds to heavy, and doesn't take condition seriously, major problem going foward especially as he ages

You can believe what you want, but players don't bash players, and coaches don't usually say bad things about other teams, the team was a disgrace last year and quit on the coach that was trying to teach them about rebounding, defense and sharing the ball. They won 23 games, I think you would say anything would be a positive move in the right direction at this point..

Positives for the Season
-Curry's offensive progression, fg%
-David Lee's rebounding and energy, fg%
-Starting to protect home court
-Good team unity, marbury after the first quarter of the season realized he was being run out of town has started to play team ball


Negatives
-no defensive presence, no shot blocker, no one challenging shots, terrible on rotations, our guards get torched by quicker guards, our turnovers are out of control, we lead the league in technicals, no consistent outside shooting
-channing frye looks like a fringe rotation player
-crawford playing less under control
-marbury and q are breaking down
-curry refusing to play defense, and rebound in most cases
-Our coach playing players because of salary or draft order
-Jefferies, James, Francis

MS - where do you make this stuff up?

>>You can believe what you want, but players don't bash players, and coaches don't usually say bad things about other teams...

hold up, what players have you talked with about this? You don't think that George Karl and the rest of his Tarheel buddies don't share jokes over warm milk?

>>the team was a disgrace last year and quit on the coach that was trying to teach them about rebounding, defense and sharing the ball.

Larry Brown was using archaic methods with both young (arbitrary intimidation) and veteran players (threats of being traded. The Knicks, as a team, tuned out his public tantrums faster than you can say Nate Archibald.

Larry failed because he forgot to do one fundamental thing,

earn the respect of his players by GIVING respect.

Let it go.

[Edited by - misterearl on 02-28-2007 2:30 PM]

Dude what are you talking about.....

Karl and Pop and coaches don't like Isiah, a lot of people don't like him, my point which you clearly didn't understand is, if you ask a player how do you think the knicks are doing they are going to tell you that they are doing a lot better, in more games, etc, they quit in every game last year, i don't care who you are, but if you quit your a loser, its not fun getting embarrassed and booed off the court, winners don't quit. You act like we have a collection of ****ing allstars who have accomplished things......If you ask a coach about the knicks he is not going to openly bash him, why to bring up a brawl that cost Karl his best player for 15 games, great example. How many coaches criticize the job that other coaches are doing???????????????

Larry did a terrible job last year there is no denying it, the difference between this team and last year is they are loser, they are playing harder, and curry is more in shape because he had a training camp, q is mentally healthy and dlee is better from having worked on his game, you act like the team is playing fantastic.

And please, watch the ****ing games, lets fast foward to the begining of the season when Marbury was doing the exact same thing he has done to every coach he has ever played for, Steph was sulking not playing team ball, not supporting his team, sitting on the bench alone with a towel on his head, the entire city booed him anytime he did anything, its a that point he realized that his entire career and legacy was going down the drain and bought into what isiah was trying to do.......

Crawford was becoming a star at the end of the season and he was buying into what you have to do, and isiah hasn't coached, he just runs a motion one on one offense and feeds curry

MS - yawn

Marbury never bitched. None of them have. He took the demotion like a man, came back and has stated that he learned from it.

It ain't that deep.