Posted by Solace:

Posted by TMS:

you stay patient, keep developing the young guys you have on the roster, & don't make any further bad trades to kill the cap any further.

Who are we building around? Let's say it's Curry and Lee (what I think you would say). Shouldn't you find a way to get complimentary players around them?

like i said, since those are the players we're building around, you need to keep developing them, make intelligent MLE signings to bring in some complimentary players, draft well w/the picks you do have, & don't make any more stupid trades to bring in veterans with bloated deals to worsen our already horrible cap situation... complaining daily about the bad situation we're in now doesn't help matters whatsoever... all it does it gives you more stress... enough with the crying that we don't have a lottery pick this year, it's getting old... we have CHI's pick & we can still get a good talent there... Isiah's shown that he can bring in some good talent in the later round... the focus needs to be in unloading some bad contracts if you can & exchanging them for more manageable deals... trading Francis' contract for 2 or 3 smaller ones that run the same length is 1 example of the types of deals this franchise needs to be looking at... it's a process... u have to keep targeting 1 main goal & make moves to PROGRESS towards that goal... not expect all the franchise's problems to be solved in 1 fell swoop every time they make a move, & then complain why things aren't fixed each & every time... it doesn't work that way in any team sport.

no trades...frye and crawford are part of the youth movement.

patience fellas. we're a .500 team...about 40 wins.

that's about what we all figured we hoped they would have.

37 worst case and still expected.

now we should focus on the playoffs, not giving up on our future (frye, crawford) to go after an imaginary championship piece that not even the mighty ewing could get for us.

btw...funny post fishmike.

If crawford is a part of the future i think we may be ****ed, if you can't guard anyone your worthless as a starter, if you want him as a sixth man thats fine, but for some reason he shoots even worse off the bench and can't mentally cope with not starting......

I think 37 is best case scenario, we have 30 games left and don't know if they play better than 14-16, thats asking a lot. And i don't think we are a .500 team....

If Isiah would just stick to the plan he would be doing a pretty decent job, but he made the terrible francis trade and two awful mid-level signings, there was nothing wrong with the Rose move, but he just overpays for pieces that don't help you win, like he did with crawford (taking on close to 28 million and giving a player a 7 year deal, while signing vin baker as a favor, isiah is joke).

Rinse Lather Repeat

I wish this team would just be good again.

I posted this in the game-thread but I think it's true. This team is the epitome of an mediocre team.

This team has its ups(last night)
This team has its downs(tonight)

i know you posted this last week nyk, but if you didn't know that coming into this season, i don't know what to tell ya bro... this team is going to make you wanna pull your hair out if you don't accept the fact that it's still got a long ways to go to be a contender... if last night's performance didn't show that, i don't know what will.

Posted by TMS:

I posted this in the game-thread but I think it's true. This team is the epitome of an mediocre team.

This team has its ups(last night)
This team has its downs(tonight)

i know you posted this last week nyk, but if you didn't know that coming into this season, i don't know what to tell ya bro... this team is going to make you wanna pull your hair out if you don't accept the fact that it's still got a long ways to go to be a contender... if last night's performance didn't show that, i don't know what will.

last night's performance showed we have a ways to go to be a mediocre team...

Posted by nyk4ever:



How exactly do you push a mediocre team to a good team when you have no draft-picks and you are millions upon millions over the cap? I guess what I'm really trying to say is, how the hell is this team going to take the next step without the means of getting the personnel to take them to that next step?

Definitions of mediocrity on the Web:

* averageness: ordinariness as a consequence of being average and not outstanding
* second-rater: a person of second-rate ability or value; "a team of aging second-raters"; "shone among the mediocrities who surrounded him"

This is the problem with NY Fans. We can't deal with the painful process of a partial rebuild. If you can't be patient enough to allow these young players to fully develop how would you ever be patient enough to wait for a complete rebuild? We have to at least recognize that we must crawl before we can walk and walk before we run.

Posted by fishmike:

So then you do admit this was a 23 win team and not just a Larry Brown aberration? I eman you cant have it both ways. All we heard from the Isiah jock riders last year was how this team is soooo much better and should be .500
Now we here .400 ball is a good improvement and what did you expect?

See this is just not right! Even if you think you have the talent to be a better team than 23 wins, if you haven't established anything with a young group you're not gonna be able to turn that around to an above .500 team so easily. Especially if you lose key players to injury. This team isn't that good that we can absorb the loss of 3 important players. Sure we have some depth and can compete, but to EXCEL is another story.

Posted by fishmike:

The excuses keep on flowing. Plenty of teams have had dramatic turn arounds. The Pistons went from 32-50 to 50-32 and all the added was Rick Carlisle and Cliff Robinson.

What you guys dont realize is even if this team does improve there is a very low ceiling. We owe pics, we have no lottery pick this year, we have no cap space and the guys with trade value are the ones holding a barely floating ship together.

You mentioned that "plenty" of teams have dramatic turnarounds. Is that really so? You mentioned the Pistons, but for the most part i'm willing to bet that the statistic prove that few teams go from a poor season to a very good season like that. Just remember that the Knicks had a unique situation. The team had just added 11 new players to the roster. They had ZERO chemistry. No distinct style of play. So coming into this year there was NOTHING to build off of. We in effect started from ground zero.

As to your other point about the ceiling for this team. Well you really don't have any idea how much better any of these players is going to get. Judging from Lee's improvement i'd say he has a chance to get better. Balkman and Collins are rooks, but i'm willing to bet that they will improve. Frye has had a rough sophmore season, but I still see a load of talent there. It's not out of the question that he matures and reaches his potential in the coming season. Don't be so stuck on this year. Most of our core players are young and will be here for a while. let's allow them to develop individually and as a team.

P.S. Fishmike I post after wins and losses, go check the threads :)

Partial rebuild what the hell are you talking about? If we are going to rebuild(notice I said GOING TO, because we certainly haven't started yet) then you shouldn't do it half-assed you should do it the RIGHT WAY. This partial stuff is BS.