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Solace
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My personal opinion is that the only more unwatchable Knicks team we've had in the last six years was the season when Lenny was coaching when we had Nazr (and then Malik/Mo), Kurt, TT, Craw and Marbury as our starting five. That team, btw, started the season off 16-13... up until Craw got injured. Even mediocre teams can play decent for a while.
5/5 Extremely Enjoyable (Moreso than the previous six years)
4/5 Enjoyable (Most enjoyable team under Isiah)
3/5 Not bad (Better than last year)
2/5 Not that enjoyable (Would rather watch a good show like 24 than the Knicks)
1/5 Hard to watch (Would rather watch highlight tapes from previous teams than watch this one play)
0/5 Not enjoyable at all (Would rather watch daytime soaps than the Knicks)
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crzymdups
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2/14/2007  6:25 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nixluva:

Now I KNOW that some of you are LOST! As usual you guys exaggerate the truth in order to make your argument look better. This team is in MOST of the games they play, not 3/5.

What the heck have you been watching that you can't get behind this team and enjoy the games? This isn't some wornout old team with guys that have Zero potential or future in the NBA. This is a FAR cry from that Steph, JC, TT, KT and Nazr team. For one thing this team is DEEPER! You can't just compare the starting 5. The number of wins they had to start the year also doesn't matter. This is a much younger team and we have been trying to establish an identity and chemistry. Which I might add Isiah has successfully been doing.

Too many of you are looking for signs that this team is gonna win a Title soon. It's WAY too early to worry about that. Just freakin enjoy the games. We're in just about every game, so how can you be board. We're one of the top scoring teams so it can't be that. We're the top rebounding team as well, which shows how hard these players get after it.

Are you paid on a per-post basis from Isiah's payroll? Just curious.

I simply can't agree because I don't suffer from tunnel-vision. I'm sorry if that angers you.

Solace, maybe you don't know this from not watching the majority of them, but they've been "in" 7 of their last 8 games - they won 5, lost 2 games by 2pts apiece and lost another by 15. they've played very well lately and since starting 5-11 they're 18-18 in their last 36 games and they've been in the majority of the games, lost some close heartbreakers, won some close nailbiters. it's been a fun season. the team has an identity now.

if you don't enjoy watching a young team learning how to win, that's fine. but to compare it in any way shape or form to last season is ridiculous.
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Solace
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2/14/2007  6:37 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

if you don't enjoy watching a young team learning how to win, that's fine. but to compare it in any way shape or form to last season is ridiculous.

Actually, it's not ridiculous.
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2/14/2007  6:38 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Solace:

My personal opinion is that the only more unwatchable Knicks team we've had in the last six years was the season when Lenny was coaching when we had Nazr (and then Malik/Mo), Kurt, TT, Craw and Marbury as our starting five. That team, btw, started the season off 16-13... up until Craw got injured. Even mediocre teams can play decent for a while.

so last year was more enjoyable to watch than this year? whatever.

By a slim margin. I liked the prospects of Jackie Butler, Qyntel Woods, Penny Hardway and Trevor Ariza (before he was traded) better than what they were replaced with. Obviously the coaching was a fiasco, and the players weren't trying (very embarassing). I wasn't happy with last year's team either, but to be honest, considering Larry Brown was the only one in the organization with any credibility, I thought that he had the team's best interests at heart, and honestly, hope he would've won out in the battle against Isiah. It didn't work out that way, so that hope is gone.

Again your own words prove to me that you don't know a THING about Basketball. Isiah is proving that most of what Larry felt was WRONG! What did Larry really know about these players given he never gave them a real chance. To hell with him and his opinion. He didn't have the teams best interests at heart, he had his own interests at heart as he always has.

You clearly don't know what you're looking at if you can't see how competitive this team is against what is considered superior competiton. The bad teams have given us more trouble than the better teams in the league. SO when your team can truly compete against the best but due to immaturity and lack of experience has some letdown games against the poorer teams, that shows you that this team is not as bad as many thought. We still aren't playing as well as this team can. BUT we're on the upswing or haven't you noticed the progressive improvement this team is starting to show? It's showing up enough for the league to take notice and yet somehow it's evaded you and several other knick fans.

You guys can try to knock me for being a supporter of these players and Isiah, but soon you won't be able to deny what's happening on the court. As this team get's more and more consistent in what it does. Yes this team still has a way to go, but they're on the move.
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2/14/2007  6:47 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by crzymdups:

if you don't enjoy watching a young team learning how to win, that's fine. but to compare it in any way shape or form to last season is ridiculous.

Actually, it's not ridiculous.

Actually, to compare this team to last year's team is ridiculous. So please everyone -- stop using last year's 23 wins as a benchmark.
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2/14/2007  6:49 PM
Actually, to compare this team to last year's team is ridiculous. So please everyone -- stop using last year's 23 wins as a benchmark.

Most of this team arrived last season, and the rest arrived this season, only a couple players arrived the year before that (2004/2005).

So what should the benchmark be? What year should they be compared to?

oohah

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2/14/2007  6:51 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by crzymdups:

if you don't enjoy watching a young team learning how to win, that's fine. but to compare it in any way shape or form to last season is ridiculous.

Actually, it's not ridiculous.

Actually, to compare this team to last year's team is ridiculous. So please everyone -- stop using last year's 23 wins as a benchmark.

Well for those who love Larry, he basically felt that the team wasn't worth keeping together. So in essence he was trying to say that the team was as bad as that. i don't agree and I also agree with you that last year was a joke. Still because of last year we had to start from scratch and try to establish team confidence, chemistry and an identity. This takes time and so we started off slow. Thus our record this year is also not indicative of how good we really are. We're playing at a higher rate now than our record would suggest.
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2/14/2007  7:23 PM
Posted by oohah:
Actually, to compare this team to last year's team is ridiculous. So please everyone -- stop using last year's 23 wins as a benchmark.

Most of this team arrived last season, and the rest arrived this season, only a couple players arrived the year before that (2004/2005).

So what should the benchmark be? What year should they be compared to?

oohah

How about a year when the players didn't quit and actually tried to win games.

How about we compare the level of success they had under Layden, who deserved to be fired, to the success we've had under Isiah, who deserves to be fired?

How about we objectively look at our prospects for winning (i.e. contending for championships) with this team and this management team, considering BOTH their strengths and weaknesses as well as their ability to add the necessary pieces. Unlike some people on this board and their Lord Isiah, most people recognize that this team turning into a championship contender isn't just about the current group of players playing together for X amount of time.
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2/14/2007  7:26 PM
Nixluva, you have to realize that not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you. So you telling people they don't know ANYTHING about basketball just because they don't agree with you and what you're saying isn't probably the best way to go about things.
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2/14/2007  7:40 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Nixluva, you have to realize that not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you. So you telling people they don't know ANYTHING about basketball just because they don't agree with you and what you're saying isn't probably the best way to go about things.

Actually people don't know anything if they don't agree with me.
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Solace
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2/14/2007  8:17 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Again your own words prove to me that you don't know a THING about Basketball. Isiah is proving that most of what Larry felt was WRONG! What did Larry really know about these players given he never gave them a real chance. To hell with him and his opinion. He didn't have the teams best interests at heart, he had his own interests at heart as he always has.

You clearly don't know what you're looking at if you can't see how competitive this team is against what is considered superior competiton. The bad teams have given us more trouble than the better teams in the league. SO when your team can truly compete against the best but due to immaturity and lack of experience has some letdown games against the poorer teams, that shows you that this team is not as bad as many thought. We still aren't playing as well as this team can. BUT we're on the upswing or haven't you noticed the progressive improvement this team is starting to show? It's showing up enough for the league to take notice and yet somehow it's evaded you and several other knick fans.

You guys can try to knock me for being a supporter of these players and Isiah, but soon you won't be able to deny what's happening on the court. As this team get's more and more consistent in what it does. Yes this team still has a way to go, but they're on the move.

First of all, I don't have to prove anything to you. Secondly, I was stating my level of satisfaction with the team... you can seriously argue with my opinion? That'd be like knocking someone for being a Bucks fan. Not everyone is going to have the same view. Lastly, you're a tool and a puppet. You have to be able to think for yourself before you can have an opinion. You clearly can't... so, farq off azzhole.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 14 2007 8:18 PM]
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2/14/2007  8:24 PM
i'd honestly say this team is the most enjoyable to watch since the days of the Spree/Camby/Houston Knicks.
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2/14/2007  9:32 PM
Games have been pretty exciting, but this team frustrates me. Still light years ahead of last year. I give em a 2.5.
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2/14/2007  9:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Actually people don't know anything if they don't agree with me.

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2/15/2007  11:09 AM
I notice Dixluva didn't have anything else to say. I doubt his thick skull realized that it's ridiculous to challenge whether someone likes a team or not. Dixluva will probably be quiet until the next Knicks win, where he will proclaim how great this team is. After the next loss, it will be, "what did you expect?" I love that guy. Except instead of love, I think he's retarted.
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