Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Rich:

Curry and Lee have emerged as cornerstone players under Isiah. Larry misused them. Does this team have a ways to go? Yes. But their future is brighter than it has been in a long time.

frye is on his way to LOST island. nate and balkman are already there. mardy's the governer.

Balkman will re-emerge, the sooner the better. Nate probably will too if he isn't traded.

Mardy doesn't matter this season.

Frye's situation worries me.

Posted by Anji:

I'm still trying to fihure out why did JJ2 even play tonight over Balkman if that is all the minutes he can get.

jeffries? he's on the team? i thought the wiz matched the offer sheet...damn, i gotta pay more attention.

Big Turd got more touches in the post than Frye did tonight...Frye got one look in the post and he scored...Marbs has to be more assertive and run the offense...They have to run pick and rolls for Frye...If you don't post Frye or pick and roll, don't play him...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-11-2007 01:15 AM]

Posted by Anji:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by mythfaze:

Wasn't IT supposed to combine three classic offensive schemes to produce for us an effective offense which kept everyone involved? Not sure how "dump to Curry, panic and play one-on-one ball when it doesn't work" is a blend of these offenses...

that offense was abandoned b/c we can't run it. it's the same lines of lb having to "dumb" down the plays last year b/c the team couldn't execute them.

we have to keep it basic and simple. dump it to eddy. watch him try a move. if not, hopefully jamal can bail us out. you notice how many times the ball is passed to jeffries or balkman at the 3 point line with less than 3 on the shot clock? it's b/c we don't know how to run an offense.

But we heard such great things about it in training camp. They were going to use their "youth" and "athleticism" to be the Suns of the East.

BTW, are we still rebuilding or are we in the "Win now" stage of Isiah's master plan? Why is it that 5 of the guys that this team was going to rebuild around either can't get on the court at all or barely have any role at all? That includes our only lottery pick in what will be 4 years and last summers big free agent signing, the proverbial "glue" of this franchise.

If Larry sat Frye and Nate, and both of the defensive minded players that Isiah acquired in the offseason, the way Isiah is, there would be a riot.

Isiah does it, and not a peep out of the people who vilified Brown.

Can anybody say the best players are not playing???? If not then why are you still bitching about Larry Brown?

So you think that all this talk about building for the future with youth is just more Isiah BS. It's about winning now and not about letting the young guys play and learn from their mistakes.

Got it.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by mythfaze:

Wasn't IT supposed to combine three classic offensive schemes to produce for us an effective offense which kept everyone involved? Not sure how "dump to Curry, panic and play one-on-one ball when it doesn't work" is a blend of these offenses...

that offense was abandoned b/c we can't run it. it's the same lines of lb having to "dumb" down the plays last year b/c the team couldn't execute them.

we have to keep it basic and simple. dump it to eddy. watch him try a move. if not, hopefully jamal can bail us out. you notice how many times the ball is passed to jeffries or balkman at the 3 point line with less than 3 on the shot clock? it's b/c we don't know how to run an offense.

But we heard such great things about it in training camp. They were going to use their "youth" and "athleticism" to be the Suns of the East.

BTW, are we still rebuilding or are we in the "Win now" stage of Isiah's master plan? Why is it that 5 of the guys that this team was going to rebuild around either can't get on the court at all or barely have any role at all? That includes our only lottery pick in what will be 4 years and last summers big free agent signing, the proverbial "glue" of this franchise.

If Larry sat Frye and Nate, and both of the defensive minded players that Isiah acquired in the offseason, the way Isiah is, there would be a riot.

Isiah does it, and not a peep out of the people who vilified Brown.

Can anybody say the best players are not playing???? If not then why are you still bitching about Larry Brown?

So you think that all this talk about building for the future with youth is just more Isiah BS. It's about winning now and not about letting the young guys play and learn from their mistakes.

Got it.

Depends on who you think our future are. You are going to say because Balkman and collins and who ever don't play we aren't building. Im saying Lee is the best Foward on the teamand he plays, he is the future. Curry is the man in middle for the future and he always plays. JC is the second player isiah got after he traded for marbury, he is a part of the future. Q is the same age and Frye isn't playing well but he always plays ever game. You say we aren't and I guess we are not.

Being unhappy this season is not the same as the circus Larry brown ran last year.

[Edited by - anji on 02-11-2007 01:36 AM]

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Anji:

Being unhappy this season is not the same as the circus Larry brown ran last year.

You mean when the inmates were running the asylum.

Reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Posted by mythfaze:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Anji:

Being unhappy this season is not the same as the circus Larry brown ran last year.

You mean when the inmates were running the asylum.

Reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Curry is the Big Indian.

Nate is DeVito's character.

Marbury was Jack.

Which would make Larry, Nurse Ratched.

Posted by Rich:

Posted by islesfan:

How did Larry misuse Curry and Lee?

Larry wanted the offense to go through Curry but Marbury refused and that's when all hell broke loose. Plus Curry showed up in horrible shape which had a negative effect on his play and his ability to play more minutes effectively.

Lee was the 30th pick and Larry had to find time for him amongst all the other veteran forwards that Isiah had accumulated. Even then Lee got as much playing time as most lottery picks did last year.

By not playing Curry when he was in early foul trouble so he could learn how to do it.

Larry played Lee for a while. He even started him. Lee did quite well. But then Larry forgot who he was.

What if Curry was so out of shape that the reason he was getting into early foul trouble was because he was reaching and getting caught out of position. Keeping him in to learn would have been meaningless. All he could have learned was to try even less as to avoid fouls.

Isiah is guilty of the same thing with Lee, isn't he? The bottom line is that Lee was given PT by Brown and was given a fair chance. With Isiah buying people out, I don't think there's any doubt that Brown would have relied haavily on Lee this year if he were still here.

Posted by joec32033:

Not to get into the whole Larry Brown argument, but it seems like if absolutely nothing else Isiah inarguably put himself in a much better position to succeed then Brown.

Whether it is what Larry Brown wanted or not (this is not the point I am trying to make), the buyouts put Isiah in a much easier situation to handle in regards to playing time.

Who got bought out Joe? Rose and Taylor, right? Do you think that Thomas was pressuring Brown to play those guys while taking minutes away from Lee/Frye? I don't think he was.

I think you are right though, Thomas is putting himself ina better position, but it is simply because he is coaching to win games.

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