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BigC
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2/4/2007  12:37 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I dunno if the weight loss will hurt his offensive dominance. He is strong which is very different from heavy and the dude has a huge frame. He'll be able to dominate minus 20 lbs but it will also help him move quicker to be a better help defender.


I don't know. I saw Eddie that year that he came camp in good shape on the Bulls. Eddie looked like he hadn't had breakfast in a 100 days and was getting pushed around in the paint. Even in Eddie's best conditioning season he did not play better defense. Eddie has to watch more game highlights of his opponents and work on his timing. Timing sometimes is the difference between a stupid foul and a nice block.
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2/4/2007  12:41 PM
BigC - why must Eddy's fouls be labelled as stupid?

What should we label Lee's foul trouble last night?

[Edited by - misterearl on 02-04-2007 12:41 PM]
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2/4/2007  12:42 PM
Oh, my bad, Lee is the more "intelligent" player.

what was I thinking?
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2/4/2007  12:49 PM
Earl, I don't think that has anything to do with BigC's statement.

I think when I(as well as others) say Eddy makes stupid fouls that we say they are stupid because Eddy is 6'11 and very athletic and doesnt need to commit fouls for him to get what he wants to get done on the basketball court. I think its more the stupidity of lazyness than anything else. Atleast thats where I'm coming from personally.
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2/4/2007  12:51 PM
Posted by misterearl:

BigC - why must Eddy's fouls be labelled as stupid?

What should we label Lee's foul trouble last night?

[Edited by - misterearl on 02-04-2007 12:41 PM]


A stupid foul is a stupid foul. Whether it is Lee, Curry, or Calvin Cato with a suit on or the ball boy with the colorful Gatorade bottle.

On the subject matter on Lee I did not mention him because the subject matter was not about Lee. Now if we want to bring up Lee I can discuss how I feel his defense is poor. And that maybe the main reason he does not start is because he would have to guard small forwards or starting pf's. Which would led to Lee fouling out.


[Edited by - BigC on 02-04-2007 12:52 PM]
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2/4/2007  12:55 PM
nyk4ever - i think BigC should define what he means by labelling Eddy Curry's fouls as stupid.

So how do you separate "stupid" fouls from fouls of aggression or simply bad calls because he is so much bigger tha his opponent?

Shaq has been identified as the most difficult player to monitor because of his size. Would you think Eddy may have some of the same issues?

How many Curry fouls are related to going through the process of learning tendencies of veteran officials or earning the respect of the new refs?

Being "touch-fouled" by a 275 pound man can hurt. Yes?

[Edited by - misterearl on 02-04-2007 12:56 PM]
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2/4/2007  12:56 PM
Ugh. I shouldn't have even bothered.
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2/4/2007  1:01 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

fish how is he pumping up his numbers?

hes almost automatic in the paint and the athleticism the guy posesses at his stature is pretty darn good

i agree with him losing a few more pounds, but 25 is too much his body is one of the reasons why he's effective....

i think the D can get there, he has said he will do whatever he needs to to be a complete player, so hopefully he keeps his word
losing weight wont hurt him. With more quickness he will only get better. Get him on a strength program. As for pumping up his numbers I just talking about the number of touches that he gets. He's like the first, second and third option in the offense. Its not even a bad thing persay. He doesnt pass well out of the post so the offense gets stagnant at times but his scoring % is certainly high enough to justify it. However the guy thats been hurt by it is obviously Frye, who gets zero touches in paint, and his numbers reflect that.

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2/4/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Do you think he's going to come back next and say, "this is the year I'm going to play defense"?
yup. I think he will start playing defense next year. He will need to learn to foul less on defense but he will start contesting shots and closing the lane next year. Thats what I think.

Is that what you *think* or what you *hope*? In almost any area of behavior, the strongest (but not only) predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I would say your description is what I hope will happen (obviously) but not what I expect.
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2/4/2007  1:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is that what you *think* or what you *hope*? In almost any area of behavior, the strongest (but not only) predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I would say your description is what I hope will happen (obviously) but not what I expect.
Is that what you would say or think? JEEZ, talk about nitpicking!
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2/4/2007  1:06 PM
I'm surprised by how consistently Eddy puts up big offensive numbers, but realistically I'd like to see him put up 1.5 blocks a game (he's already put 1.1 in a season), and 2 assists (he has the ability).


Don't see 10 rebounds a game as realistic. Maybe 8 or 9. (with his heart condition I don't think he should ever play more than 35/36 minutes a game).


Bout his weight --

Maybe 5 or 10 pounds, certainly not 25, otherwise he loses his advantage in the low post.

See if you're gonna be that skinny, you better have the natural shotblocking ability, which Eddy just doesn't.
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2/4/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is that what you *think* or what you *hope*? In almost any area of behavior, the strongest (but not only) predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I would say your description is what I hope will happen (obviously) but not what I expect.
Is that what you would say or think? JEEZ, talk about nitpicking!

So you see no distinction between what you think will happen and what you hope will happen? I guess that explains why you think year 7 will be the year Eddy decides to play defense.
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2/4/2007  1:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Is that what you *think* or what you *hope*? In almost any area of behavior, the strongest (but not only) predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I would say your description is what I hope will happen (obviously) but not what I expect.
Is that what you would say or think? JEEZ, talk about nitpicking!
So you see no distinction between what you think will happen and what you hope will happen? I guess that explains why you think year 7 will be the year Eddy decides to play defense.
are you arguing for the sake or arguing or do have a reason to be a "proper word usage Nazi?" Islesfan asked me "Do you think" so I replied with "I think" as well. Happy? I am not going to get into a semantic discussion about the words "think" and "hope" so you can call it whatever you want.
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2/4/2007  1:34 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is that what you *think* or what you *hope*? In almost any area of behavior, the strongest (but not only) predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I would say your description is what I hope will happen (obviously) but not what I expect.
Is that what you would say or think? JEEZ, talk about nitpicking!
So you see no distinction between what you think will happen and what you hope will happen? I guess that explains why you think year 7 will be the year Eddy decides to play defense.
are you arguing for the sake or arguing or do have a reason to be a "proper word usage Nazi?" Islesfan asked me "Do you think" so I replied with "I think" as well. Happy? I am not going to get into a semantic discussion about the words "think" and "hope" so you can call it whatever you want.

Dude, I argued with you because I thought your reply was rude. Maybe mine came across the wrong way when I asked what I thought was a reasonable questions. Let's just drop it.
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2/4/2007  1:54 PM
Eddy has surprised me big-time this season. It seemed inconceivable that he'd ever get over the 30mpg hump, and he has. He's limited his silly fouls.

His assist, steal, block numbers are pretty low. I'd like to think that in future seasons, he'll at least approach "1" in each of those categories. (Amare Stoudemire currently is averaging 0.6apg, 0.7spg, and 1.4bpg - those numbers SHOULD be achievable by Curry (0.5, 0.3, and 0.8)...

Rebounding-wise, Curry is doing okay relative to many of his age/experience counterparts. Among his contemporaries, Yao Ming has averaged 10rpg only once (last season), Amare and Gasol haven't yet.

Overall, I'm very pleased. With Ming and Shaq's season cut short due to injury, Curry has been the most dominant offensive center in the game. There simply is no stopping him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Curry's overall numbers jumped up to 22ppg/8.5rpg/1apg/1.5bpg next season.

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2/4/2007  1:55 PM
Posted by BigC:

Or are you dissappointed because he does not rebound more?

I'm pleased on his offensive production and how he up'd his game there. If he had started out this way in the beginning of the season, do you guys realize he'd probably be averaging somewhere of about 23 or 24 points a game. On the rebounding and defensive side, he still stinks! But I say, let him get better on the offense this season and work hard on his defensive game. With improved defense, he'll learn how to rebound better. These guys have got to learn how to hop, when the ball is coming off of the basket. No one's teaching them how to hop! A good example is how Lee does it. The best example I ever saw was Dennis Rodman. Hops, reacts instantly when the ball is off the rim. Most guys get into the spring into action position, to rebound. That takes way too long.

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The actual offensive ability doesn't surprise me at all. He's had that for at least 3 or 4 years. But what surprised me is the sudden offensive discipline. No more offensive fouls, he still turns the ball over a lot, but the horrible inane unforced turnovers are rapidly disappearing. I think the offensive fouls are a mixture of better discipline, better shape and now he's getting the respect of the officials because of his own discipline.

The defensive end and rebounding still bothers me. More so on the rebounding than anything. The defensive side can and needs to be learned. But the rebounding is just effort. It's very disappointing to watch a guy his size not give that effort.

I also don't understand why fans say things like "don't worry about Eddie's rebounding because we are a good rebounding team". I agree with this to a point. His rebounding is not killing us. But just because you are a good rebounding team doesn't mean you ask your team to stop getting better. If Eddie improves his rebounding we go from a good rebounding team to a dominant one. I would think fans would want that. He's capable of it, and he's capable today. The more fans and coaches are on him for not rebounding the more apt he is to get better.
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2/5/2007  10:40 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

The actual offensive ability doesn't surprise me at all. He's had that for at least 3 or 4 years. But what surprised me is the sudden offensive discipline. No more offensive fouls, he still turns the ball over a lot, but the horrible inane unforced turnovers are rapidly disappearing. I think the offensive fouls are a mixture of better discipline, better shape and now he's getting the respect of the officials because of his own discipline.

The defensive end and rebounding still bothers me. More so on the rebounding than anything. The defensive side can and needs to be learned. But the rebounding is just effort. It's very disappointing to watch a guy his size not give that effort.

I also don't understand why fans say things like "don't worry about Eddie's rebounding because we are a good rebounding team". I agree with this to a point. His rebounding is not killing us. But just because you are a good rebounding team doesn't mean you ask your team to stop getting better. If Eddie improves his rebounding we go from a good rebounding team to a dominant one. I would think fans would want that. He's capable of it, and he's capable today. The more fans and coaches are on him for not rebounding the more apt he is to get better.

Excellent post and I agree 100%, however, I just don't know how commited he is and that's why I've been on his back.
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2/5/2007  11:02 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is that what you *think* or what you *hope*? In almost any area of behavior, the strongest (but not only) predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I would say your description is what I hope will happen (obviously) but not what I expect.
Is that what you would say or think? JEEZ, talk about nitpicking!
So you see no distinction between what you think will happen and what you hope will happen? I guess that explains why you think year 7 will be the year Eddy decides to play defense.
are you arguing for the sake or arguing or do have a reason to be a "proper word usage Nazi?" Islesfan asked me "Do you think" so I replied with "I think" as well. Happy? I am not going to get into a semantic discussion about the words "think" and "hope" so you can call it whatever you want.

Silver, down tiger. I think all he was asking is for you to justify your view. If you think Eddy will improve, what are the signs that we're not seeing?
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