Posted by fishmike:


the key is effort every night. Its nothing more complicated than that. Doesnt it bother you when you hear Curry talking about making a statement against certain teams and opponents? I thought good players and ALL STAR players look to do that every night, but thats just me. Until these guys and this team realize you have to "bring it" every night every minute they play they will never be a winning team

Posted by Anji:

^^^^ You said point guard right???? THe postion that is like 5 for a dollar in the NBA is going to be hard to find??? Hell how many teams have two or three they might want to keep and it's going to be hard to find another? I would beg to differ. And Marcus ain't that great. His Jamal Tinsely/Andre Miller it's not like he is Felton/Pau/Deron Good.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by islesfan:

Balkman got a DNP-CD
None of last year's rookies started and all got fewer minutes than usual.

If Larry Brown had done that, some of you would have vilified him for it.

Are we building for the future or are we looking to win games with Jerome James getting more minutes than he deserves?

i think there's two sides of the coin. lb did some crazy stuff last year...that i supported. why? b/c i knew the culture here and i knew lb was a prick but his way got results...and most importantly, winning results. so i let alot of stuff he did slide b/c i thought it would be a 5 year plan and lb had to break a few (in our case a TON) of eggs to get going.

alot of people didn't like his methods and didn't understand them. but i feel many didn't take into account the atmosphere of the team, the market, the culture of the organization which starts from the owner on down, and the pressures of gm'ing and coaching in nyc. lb was forcing change. i didn't care about the lineups or any of that BS. i only cared about the direction we were trying to go in over the next 5 years and the culture that was to be developed here. but that didn't fly with alot of folks here and the most important folk in dolan.

so now you have isiah, who the players like, and who, both he and the organization, is operating as if last year was completely lb's fault. everything is right with the team and the organization and the guy that tried to change things was wrong. and why shouldn't they think that? he's the outsider trying to fix a well oiled machine (in their eyes). he is used to winning and is used to well built organizations over his past 4 stops (spurs, indy, philly, and detroit). so when he walks into the knicks, he doesn't like what he sees so he tries to change it. was he right? we'll never know but 30 years of history dictates that he is.

anyway, back to isiah. in reality, ANY coach that came in this year would've been better than the 23 win benchmark some are using. the clusterfcuk of lineups, rotations, etc. these kids could develop and become decent players...but will we ever go anywhere significant? will we get past the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs? are we trying to build a title team? will the same culture that's been permeating here for 7 years continue and hold us back? we know now that dolan and co. are afraid of change. they like things done their way regardless of wins or losses (i.e layden here for 4 years, sather for 7). so winning a title is not a top priority. so if that's the case, how much pressure is there on a GM to win BIG rather than to just win a little to keep his owners happy?

we'll see how this plays out over the long haul. some fans have made up their mind that we're not headed down the righteous path of title building. i am one of them. i have seen how all title teams before this one have been built. i have seen the major components needed to win (franchise player, frontcourt defense, heady guard play). and i see us not having any of those pieces. it's very tough to do, but we are ignoring all methods taken before. some like to give a guy like isiah credit for being aggressive and doing some unconventional things, especially with the hand he was dealt. i'm in the other camp thinking that his unconvential methods, althoughy sexy, ultimately will not take us where we want to go. so, to me, we're going to be stuck at some point, in a similar position of the pacers, trying to figure out whether to blow it up again or keep making recycling/lateral moves like the trade they just made for murphy + dunleavy.

i guess i can sit back and enjoy the ride or i can come on these boards and speak my mind. whatever, win or lose, i still get the same amount of enjoyment following them.

ok, i just ranted like an idiot and my thoughts were kind of all over the place. i need to get me some food.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Man if I were D Lee, I'd be so eager to get out of this organization. There's no way a .400 team should be treating him like a bench player with fluctuating minutes.

Posted by izybx:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Man if I were D Lee, I'd be so eager to get out of this organization. There's no way a .400 team should be treating him like a bench player with fluctuating minutes.

If you had watched the game you might have a clue as to why he didnt play that much last night. He was in foul trouble for most of the game.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by izybx:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Man if I were D Lee, I'd be so eager to get out of this organization. There's no way a .400 team should be treating him like a bench player with fluctuating minutes.

If you had watched the game you might have a clue as to why he didnt play that much last night. He was in foul trouble for most of the game.

I'm not talking about one game; I'm talking about his whole NYK career.

You guys kill me with the supposed dissing of Lee. Lee is a second year player picked #30 in the draft and is getting nearly 30 minutes a game. Do you know how many second year players would kill to be getting the minutes that Lee is getting. We paid off Taylor just so Lee and Frye could have minutes, but somehow the Knicks are disrespecting Lee and treating him badly, huh? I know some people don't think that anyone on this team actually plays other than Lee, but guys like Curry, Frye, Marbury, Crawford, and Q are out there playing too. I am glad Lee has a good head on his shoulder and does not see his apparent "dissing" the way some people do. IMHO the fans and the media need to stop trying to create controversy over the Lee issue. Like I said before, on any other team that did not have IT as the coach, it would not be half the issue that it is here.