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a breakdown of our future competitors in the east
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tkf
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2/5/2007  1:41 AM
I like what we have.... Other teams have work to do also. Curry is only 24, he is going nowhere, these same teams have to deal with him, and so will their draft picks one day, they will have to deal with curry, and so far, curry is having his way....
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2/7/2007  9:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

updated - look at the run toronto is on.

Toronto worries me more than some of the other teams you've mentioned.

Worth pointing out - what did Toronto do last year - broke up their twin towers experiment and traded CV for a little man who made their team go. We need to pull a Toronto and trade Frye for a legit SG or SF.


also worth pointing out - Toronto couldn't come close to guarding Eddy when they played us this year and that was before Marbury was out of his funk, so I would like to see NYK v TOR again.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-07-2007 9:41 PM]
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2/8/2007  10:17 AM
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draft: chicago can swap with our #1 pick. no 2nd rounders this year and in 2009. owe another #1 by 2010.
cap room: possibly 2009, more likely 2010

dj, i'm assuming you're accounting for the fact that the Knicks have to use up their cap space to re-sign all their young players past 2008... what about all those other teams? are they just going to let their young players expire & not re-sign them? i think you got your figures skewed my man

the Celtics have 4 players who will be eligible to field qualifying offers in the last year's of their rookie contracts in 2008 (Telfair, Jefferson, West & Allen)... are they just going to let these guys walk if other teams come calling w/offers & not match? they also have Ryan Gomes who will be a FA that season, so unless they re-sign him to at least a MLE level contract, you can be sure he's going elsewhere... so where is all that cap space they'll have that season in comparison to the Knicks?

i haven't even looked at the other teams on that list, but i'm assuming there will be similar situations for several of them as well.
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2/8/2007  11:38 AM
took a look at some of the other teams on that list:

TOR - they are in good shape cap wise going forward, & all 3 of their nucleus players (Ford, Bosh & Bargnani) won't need to be extended until 2010... plus they have a great GM overseeing things... they are in the best situation IMO

PHI - capwise, they are in good shape after this season, but it will take a few years for the young players they bring in to gel & develop into a solid foundation to build upon... if LB takes over operations, u can be sure that some of those young players will be traded for some veterans as well.

CHI - they are in the exact same situation cap wise as the Knicks... in 2008, they will have to decide whether or not to re-sign Gordon & Deng, so that cap space is pretty much gone for the foreseeable future.

MIL - the only way they will be able to bring in a high priced bigname player after this season is if they fill in the rest of their roster w/veteran minimum level players... they only have 7 players w/contracts extending past this season, & already they will be close to the luxury tax threshold... plus they have to decide what to do w/Boykins, who becomes a RFA at the end of this season... they don't have much cap space to work with to bring in an impact player

ORL - they have the cap space to sign a high priced FA after this season... u can bet Vince Carter will be that guy... plus they have to decide what to do w/Darko, who becomes qualifying offer eligible... they won't have much cap space after these moves to sign any other impact players... a duo of Vince & Dwight isn't bad at all but i don't think it's championship level.

ATL - they have the cap space to sign 1 FA slightly above MLE dollars... is that going to put them on top of the other teams in the East? come on man, it's Atlanta... u know they're going to suck regardless.

CHA - Gerald Wallace has a player option for next season, so he could potentially be a RFA... u know he's going to look for a contract extension... Brevin Knight is probably on his last season w/that team w/Ray Felton ready to take over the team... they have 2 good young players in Okafor & Morrison, but they are still a very young team & are years away from contention in the East... i still say the Knicks will be a contender before they are.
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2/8/2007  11:45 AM
^^^ TMS i'm curious how you'd analyze the Knicks through that same scope
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2/8/2007  11:57 AM
dj already pretty much analyzed the Knicks' situation.

they have no cap space for the next 3-4 years minimum, they have 1 less 1st rounder & 1 less 2nd rounder than most of the teams on that list (except for TOR, who loses their pick if they make the playoffs)

but IMHO, the chances of them being a contender in the East aren't way below several of the teams on that list because they finally have 2 young players in Curry & D Lee that most teams would be very excited to have at this point, along w/3 other young kids who have shown they have the ability to be good role players off the bench in Channing, Balkman & Nate.

TOR is the obvious front runner as they already have a good young core & will have cap space in another year, along w/a terrific GM overseeing personnel decisions in Colangelo... then comes ORL who will have a nice 1-2 punch next season in Dwight & most likely Vince.

after those 2 teams (along w/the already contending teams like DET, CLE, WAS, IND & MIA), i think the Knicks are right there with the rest of the field in terms of how soon i feel they will be contenders in the Eastern Conference... i can easily see the Knicks having a great chance to take that last playoff spot over teams like the Bucks, Hawks, Sixers, Celtics & Bobcats for the foreseeable future.

that's not to say i'm happy w/just eeking out an 8th seed every year obviously, but this team is improving IMO, & i think w/the right MLE signings & some luck in the draft this year or next, we can be right there w/the Raptors & Magic to join those other teams at the top of the East sooner than some of you may think.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-08-2007 12:00 PM]
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2/8/2007  12:01 PM
TMS - toronto is mainly the frontrunner b/c they have a SU-perduper star in the making in bosh. he's almost there. and that gives them a leg up on everybody else.
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2/8/2007  12:04 PM
no doubt, they are in a great position like i already said... they've made some great decisions personnel wise & they have a great GM running the show.

i'll probably say whichever team ends up w/Oden would take a nice step up over the Knicks among the field though... i'm hoping he decides to stay in college for another year or 2.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-08-2007 12:06 PM]
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2/8/2007  12:33 PM
i'll say this also, i think IND is bound for a big fall in the next few years... i think JO will want out of that situation in no time, & other than Granger & Diogu, i don't think they have any sort of nucleus to build around either... it will take them a few years to rebuild that situation & get rid of all the negative elements that are on that roster.

also, u don't know how long Shaq will be able to hold up either, so MIA could very well be headed for a fall of their own... D Wade is a franchise talent for years to come, but that team also have some very old veterans who are on their last legs... they are bound for a big rebuild very soon as well.
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2/8/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by Anji:

Atlease we know Curry is >>> Howard when we play head to head.

Wow, what an accomplishment !! Curry is better than Dwight when we play head to head.

The only problem is that, Dwight is better when he plays the rest of the league.
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2/10/2007  11:52 AM
updated.
a breakdown of our future competitors in the east

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