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Allanfan20
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2/1/2007  7:02 PM
Are those the autistic children that is inspiring Isiah nowadays (No joke. That puzzle pin he wears is a support Autistic children symbol.)?
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2/1/2007  8:11 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award

Find a Sixth Man on this list that wasn't on a Playoff Team. From at least the past 15yrs.
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2/1/2007  9:21 PM
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"He's got a chance to be Sixth Man of the Year," Thomas said. "That's the position he's in. He's having excellent success in that role. It's very hard to find a niche and have success in this league, and when you find it, you don't necessarily want to tinker with it too much. He seems to be doing OK with where he's at. Accolades and awards are coming in. Can you give me credit?"

Even I refused to suggest that Isiah was holding Lee out of the starting lineup because he was more interested in getting Lee "accolades" than doing what was best for the team. Now, can there be any doubt that that is exactly what Isiah is doing?

Who cares if the Knicks perpetually fall behind early in games with Lee sitting on the bench, as long as Lee gets accolades for coming off the bench and Isiah gets credit for it. Isiah is such a POS.

Isiah said he Lee has found a niche and is very successful at it which I can't really argue with. He knows what Lee is gonna give him regardless of starting or commingof the bench, can't say the same about Frye. Besides Lee is in the game during crunch time which is most inportant.
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2/1/2007  9:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:

Talk about nitpicking over nothing.

Frye 26.2mpg
Lee 30.7 mpg

Yea how dare he start Frye over Lee. I mean why does Frye get more minutes than Lee?! o wait..

Imagine how many of those close losses might have been wins if Lee played 36 and Frye 20. It's not nitpicking when winning close games can make a huge difference in your record.

Yeah, the Knicks didn't lose to the Nets at the buzzar because Eddy didn't secure the rebound as time expired....it was because Lee didn't start. Had he started, maybe he would have gotten a valuable offensive tip in during the first 30 seconds of the game which would have been a huge turning point in the game. And we most certainly would have beaten the Wiz had Lee started. It had nothing to do with Isiah decided to double team Arenas, leaving the team in scramble mode while Butler dunked at the buzzar. If Lee would have started that game, he would have grabbed a valuable offensive rebound during the firts minute and giving us an extra possesion to score. That way, Butlers dunk wouldn't have won the game for the Wiz, it would have just puled them to within 2.
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2/1/2007  9:34 PM
In any close loss there are several factors that make a difference--changing any one of which could alter the outcome of the game. Curry getting that rebound would have BUT that doesn't mean that no other factor would have. It doesn't mean that a 12 min difference (6 less for Frye and 6 more for Lee) in playing between your best player and a mediocre player would make no difference. Another way of putting it is that (a) the playing time between Frye and Lee, and (b) Curry's rebounding mistake have independent effects on the outcome. The same goes with all your other examples. Lee's/Frye's playing time and the other things you cited have independent effects on the outcomes and aren't relevant to this discussion.
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2/1/2007  9:48 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:

Talk about nitpicking over nothing.

Frye 26.2mpg
Lee 30.7 mpg

Yea how dare he start Frye over Lee. I mean why does Frye get more minutes than Lee?! o wait..

Imagine how many of those close losses might have been wins if Lee played 36 and Frye 20. It's not nitpicking when winning close games can make a huge difference in your record.

Yeah, the Knicks didn't lose to the Nets at the buzzar because Eddy didn't secure the rebound as time expired....it was because Lee didn't start. Had he started, maybe he would have gotten a valuable offensive tip in during the first 30 seconds of the game which would have been a huge turning point in the game. And we most certainly would have beaten the Wiz had Lee started. It had nothing to do with Isiah decided to double team Arenas, leaving the team in scramble mode while Butler dunked at the buzzar. If Lee would have started that game, he would have grabbed a valuable offensive rebound during the firts minute and giving us an extra possesion to score. That way, Butlers dunk wouldn't have won the game for the Wiz, it would have just puled them to within 2.

Why don't you like David Lee???...Why do you hate David Lee so much???
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2/1/2007  9:52 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:

Talk about nitpicking over nothing.

Frye 26.2mpg
Lee 30.7 mpg

Yea how dare he start Frye over Lee. I mean why does Frye get more minutes than Lee?! o wait..

Imagine how many of those close losses might have been wins if Lee played 36 and Frye 20. It's not nitpicking when winning close games can make a huge difference in your record.

Yeah, the Knicks didn't lose to the Nets at the buzzar because Eddy didn't secure the rebound as time expired....it was because Lee didn't start. Had he started, maybe he would have gotten a valuable offensive tip in during the first 30 seconds of the game which would have been a huge turning point in the game. And we most certainly would have beaten the Wiz had Lee started. It had nothing to do with Isiah decided to double team Arenas, leaving the team in scramble mode while Butler dunked at the buzzar. If Lee would have started that game, he would have grabbed a valuable offensive rebound during the firts minute and giving us an extra possesion to score. That way, Butlers dunk wouldn't have won the game for the Wiz, it would have just puled them to within 2.

And if the Knicks had only hit their free throws they'd be an elite team.
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2/1/2007  9:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

In any close loss there are several factors that make a difference--changing any one of which could alter the outcome of the game. Curry getting that rebound would have BUT that doesn't mean that no other factor would have. It doesn't mean that a 12 min difference (6 less for Frye and 6 more for Lee) in playing between your best player and a mediocre player would make no difference. Another way of putting it is that (a) the playing time between Frye and Lee, and (b) Curry's rebounding mistake have independent effects on the outcome. The same goes with all your other examples. Lee's/Frye's playing time and the other things you cited have independent effects on the outcomes and aren't relevant to this discussion.




Unless your ready to disect and micro-analyze every single play of the game, from the opening tip, to the last play of the game when Butler dunked, and every one of the millions of plays within plays in between, not to mention every questionable foul call by the refs, questionable violation call and the ones they missed according to the rule book, don't tell me that Lee not starting is the main factor that led us to lose those games.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-01-2007 9:54 PM]
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2/1/2007  9:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:

Talk about nitpicking over nothing.

Frye 26.2mpg
Lee 30.7 mpg

Yea how dare he start Frye over Lee. I mean why does Frye get more minutes than Lee?! o wait..

Imagine how many of those close losses might have been wins if Lee played 36 and Frye 20. It's not nitpicking when winning close games can make a huge difference in your record.

Yeah, the Knicks didn't lose to the Nets at the buzzar because Eddy didn't secure the rebound as time expired....it was because Lee didn't start. Had he started, maybe he would have gotten a valuable offensive tip in during the first 30 seconds of the game which would have been a huge turning point in the game. And we most certainly would have beaten the Wiz had Lee started. It had nothing to do with Isiah decided to double team Arenas, leaving the team in scramble mode while Butler dunked at the buzzar. If Lee would have started that game, he would have grabbed a valuable offensive rebound during the firts minute and giving us an extra possesion to score. That way, Butlers dunk wouldn't have won the game for the Wiz, it would have just puled them to within 2.

And if the Knicks had only hit their free throws they'd be an elite team.

LOL, great point.
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2/1/2007  11:06 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Are those the autistic children that is inspiring Isiah nowadays (No joke. That puzzle pin he wears is a support Autistic children symbol.)?

That would explain the kids' reaction. If so, we really shouldn't be slamming him for this (IMO).
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2/1/2007  11:09 PM
Bottom line argue all you want who should start. The second year in the league David Lee is a better player than channing frye. Not to say next year is different but Lee is the best 4 on this team
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2/1/2007  11:36 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Are those the autistic children that is inspiring Isiah nowadays (No joke. That puzzle pin he wears is a support Autistic children symbol.)?

That would explain the kids' reaction. If so, we really shouldn't be slamming him for this (IMO).

You never heard me slamming him for that. I simply slam him for being a crappy GM. I have all the respect in the world for him, for his work with autistic children but when it comes to what he has done with the Knicks, he deserves the good boot.
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2/1/2007  11:40 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Are those the autistic children that is inspiring Isiah nowadays (No joke. That puzzle pin he wears is a support Autistic children symbol.)?

That would explain the kids' reaction. If so, we really shouldn't be slamming him for this (IMO).

You never heard me slamming him for that. I simply slam him for being a crappy GM. I have all the respect in the world for him, for his work with autistic children but when it comes to what he has done with the Knicks, he deserves the good boot.

Agreed. Unfortunate. Most of the blame goes to the idiot Dolan.
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2/1/2007  11:48 PM
You just got to hope lightning strikes Dolan and he becomes wise for 3 seconds and decides to fire Isiah and actually do some research in finding a competant GM.
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