Posted by nixluva:

Charlotte has actually been winning some games lately. They're 5-5 in the last 10, so it's not like they totally suck. They have a bad record, but they can win games too.

I think that all this criticism of the Knicks is a bit much. For one thing we KNOW that Steph is hurting, Curry and Q have been as well. I think that the Knicks will be able to get a bit more healthy with the light schedule over the next 3 weeks. I expect them to comeback strong after the All Star Break. When Steph was healthy and Q as well, we could see that the team was getting into a groove. Steph's having to play so many minutes due to the Suspensions and Francis not being here basically wore him down. We've had some unfortunate timing with all of this, meanwhile Toronto has been making the most of a relatively easy schedule and they've been healthy recently.

Despite all of the horrible losses, we're still only 3 games out of the 8 spot and 4 out of the 4th spot. There's still a chance for this team to at some point go on a roll and make it into the playoffs.

Posted by arkrud:

This team won't improve until some one decides to play defense and stop penetrators...

. I agree 100%
But saying this is the same that say: "No snake will be declared a bird untill it will learn to fly"
Who born to crawl will never fly.

Posted by Bonn1997:

They have Okafor, Felton, Morrison, Wallace, and a good payroll. I'd give my left nut to switch rosters with them!

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 01-31-2007 9:51 PM]

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The sad thing is, an expansion team has made more progress in wins than Isiah Thomas.

That's really an inapt comparison given that Isiah Thomas inherited a team that was over the cap and an owner that demanded a playoff appearance in his first season.

...and we are in an even bigger hole than before.

That doesn't cure your inapt comparison.

Name one player on that team as good as Lee or Curry or Balkman or Frye?

Houston, Spree, Kurt

Houston was done.

Spree was past his prime.

Hardly a young core to build around.

Kurt maybe.

the comparisons are odd but an owner demanding a playoff birth the first year doesn't necessitate all of the other drab the Knicks have. James Signing, Francis trade. MoT, Jalen Rose.

I agree. Isiah has increased the young talent base of this franchise that was in terrible shape when he took over, but he has done it very inefficiently.

That's the key. For every good move he makes, Isiah has made at least two bad moves. Inefficiency at its best.

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Posted by nixluva:

Nov. 6-11, Dec. 7-9 and Jan. 7-8 From that you can see that this teams bad start was the thing that really set us back. Now this team is gonna have to really pick it up over the last 30+ games in order to stay in this thing and possibly pull it out. They're gonna have to play at an above .500 level the rest of the way. Can they do that? I don't know.

In terms of making the playoffs now that's a different story. I still think they can make it in. Being 4 games back of Toronto isn't the worst thing in the world. This team has to fight thru this and stay close enough, to keep them within reach.

The FACT is that Steph is hurting, not DONE, just hurting. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing and we WILL get some much needed time off over the next 3 weeks. We WILL be getting Q back and we WILL be getting Francis back.

Now I know that some of you will poo poo all of this, but to be honest when Steph is RIGHT, he's a VERY good player and the same goes for Q and Francis. They play well and this team looks a lot better. We just tend to forget so quickly how well these guys can really play. It's a long season and at different times the grind can get to you. Now if you're willing to concede that Steph, Q and Francis being hurt has hurt this team, then you can at least admit that this team would likely be better if they had been healthy. Steph was on a roll until he tweaked his Knee and Q was having a big season until he hurt his arm. I still think this team has a chance.

I'm far from the most negative person on this board, but I have to say, the Knicks are not going to the playoffs. No way. We are a bad team, period. We have several talented players, but are a bad team with a horrible coach. There's not much more to say. Isiah has to go, but I am really scared that Dolan will bring him back with 33 wins because of a 10-game improvement over last year. That's why our best bet right now is to go in the tank and somehow ensure that Isiah will be fired and we get a real coach in here this summer.

Not if it means giving up Oden or Durant, and that's what it would likely mean, so we can't.

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Posted by Erniecat:

Posted by nixluva:

Nov. 6-11, Dec. 7-9 and Jan. 7-8 From that you can see that this teams bad start was the thing that really set us back. Now this team is gonna have to really pick it up over the last 30+ games in order to stay in this thing and possibly pull it out. They're gonna have to play at an above .500 level the rest of the way. Can they do that? I don't know.

In terms of making the playoffs now that's a different story. I still think they can make it in. Being 4 games back of Toronto isn't the worst thing in the world. This team has to fight thru this and stay close enough, to keep them within reach.

The FACT is that Steph is hurting, not DONE, just hurting. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing and we WILL get some much needed time off over the next 3 weeks. We WILL be getting Q back and we WILL be getting Francis back.

Now I know that some of you will poo poo all of this, but to be honest when Steph is RIGHT, he's a VERY good player and the same goes for Q and Francis. They play well and this team looks a lot better. We just tend to forget so quickly how well these guys can really play. It's a long season and at different times the grind can get to you. Now if you're willing to concede that Steph, Q and Francis being hurt has hurt this team, then you can at least admit that this team would likely be better if they had been healthy. Steph was on a roll until he tweaked his Knee and Q was having a big season until he hurt his arm. I still think this team has a chance.

I'm far from the most negative person on this board, but I have to say, the Knicks are not going to the playoffs. No way. We are a bad team, period. We have several talented players, but are a bad team with a horrible coach. There's not much more to say. Isiah has to go, but I am really scared that Dolan will bring him back with 33 wins because of a 10-game improvement over last year. That's why our best bet right now is to go in the tank and somehow ensure that Isiah will be fired and we get a real coach in here this summer.

Not if it means giving up Oden or Durant, and that's what it would likely mean, so we can't.

I don't get your logic. That pick is gone no matter what, so who cares who they pick? How does who the Bulls pick affect this team going forward? At that point it's just affecting perception and how people will judge Isiah's trade for Curry. If Isiah is gone, what difference will it make?