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1/30/2007  7:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

Any thoughts to us signing Eddie Jones and possibly waiving or trading one of our four-shooting PGs?

If you were Eddie, would you want to spend the final years of your career on this team?

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1/30/2007  7:42 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

Jerry West, what a dummy... wasting a valuable expiring contract like that when he could have easily traded for Kevin Garnett instead.

They are in rebuild mode and it's obvious you don't make a move for Garnett given their situation. Not in case they could keep Gasol which no one is dumb enough to think that's possibly feasible.

i was being facetious.
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1/31/2007  7:05 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think trading expiring deals is a done art form.

Hey, isn't that the best GM in the league buying out an expiring contract?

Funny how different rules apply to different people.

Jerry was more than likely doing Eddy a favor for being such a team oriented guy. Their history goes back to the Laker days.

I agree. This move is clearly intended to allow Jones to go to a contender and compete for a championship. Memphis had no plans to add salary, so the only thing they were going to do with Jones was to let his contract expire. You do a buyout now and save a few dollars and reward Jones for his hardwork by letting him go somewhere else.
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1/31/2007  9:41 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think trading expiring deals is a done art form.

Hey, isn't that the best GM in the league buying out an expiring contract?

Funny how different rules apply to different people.

Jerry was more than likely doing Eddy a favor for being such a team oriented guy. Their history goes back to the Laker days.

I agree. This move is clearly intended to allow Jones to go to a contender and compete for a championship. Memphis had no plans to add salary, so the only thing they were going to do with Jones was to let his contract expire. You do a buyout now and save a few dollars and reward Jones for his hardwork by letting him go somewhere else.

pretty much the same situation here, no? Dolan had no intentions of adding any more salary, so guys like Jalen & Mo T were bought out... i don't buy that stuff about letting Jones go play for a contender... this is a bottomline business... he had no future there & they decided it would be better to save a few bucks & use the empty roster spot to take a look at some young talent... the difference there is that the Knicks don't have any minutes to allot to D-league players at this point, so the buyout was done strictly to save a few bucks off the luxury tax & void any means of adding any more salary in future trades.

i'm interested to see what they do w/Chucky Atkins since he's making a reasonable salary & his contract is expiring... they could probably get a good young role player to add to the roster that way if they combined his contract w/a 2nd round draft pick, but then again, they may be able to accomplish the same thing next year if they just let him expire & keep the pick.
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1/31/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think trading expiring deals is a done art form.

Hey, isn't that the best GM in the league buying out an expiring contract?

Funny how different rules apply to different people.

Jerry was more than likely doing Eddy a favor for being such a team oriented guy. Their history goes back to the Laker days.

I agree. This move is clearly intended to allow Jones to go to a contender and compete for a championship. Memphis had no plans to add salary, so the only thing they were going to do with Jones was to let his contract expire. You do a buyout now and save a few dollars and reward Jones for his hardwork by letting him go somewhere else.

pretty much the same situation here, no? Dolan had no intentions of adding any more salary, so guys like Jalen & Mo T were bought out... i don't buy that stuff about letting Jones go play for a contender... this is a bottomline business... he had no future there & they decided it would be better to save a few bucks & use the empty roster spot to take a look at some young talent... the difference there is that the Knicks don't have any minutes to allot to D-league players at this point, so the buyout was done strictly to save a few bucks off the luxury tax & void any means of adding any more salary in future trades.

i'm interested to see what they do w/Chucky Atkins since he's making a reasonable salary & his contract is expiring... they could probably get a good young role player to add to the roster that way if they combined his contract w/a 2nd round draft pick, but then again, they may be able to accomplish the same thing next year if they just let him expire & keep the pick.

Great point TMS, I'm wondering why the logo isn't being taken to task ala isiah.
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1/31/2007  10:05 AM
Posted by babyKnicks:

Great point TMS, I'm wondering why the logo isn't being taken to task ala isiah.
Same thing, different team.

The Logo gets a pass b/c of the Laker Dynasty and getting the Grizzlies to the playoffs (even though they still haven't won a playoff game yet .)



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1/31/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by TMS:

Jerry West, what a dummy... wasting a valuable expiring contract like that when he could have easily traded for Kevin Garnett instead.

To think they could have traded him for Webber......

You ever get the feeling that if Isiah had Jones' contract, he would have traded for Webber then bought him out next year?

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1/31/2007  1:09 PM
before this year, maybe.
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1/31/2007  1:10 PM
Posted by TMS:

before this year, maybe.

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1/31/2007  1:23 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think trading expiring deals is a done art form.

Hey, isn't that the best GM in the league buying out an expiring contract?

Funny how different rules apply to different people.

Jerry was more than likely doing Eddy a favor for being such a team oriented guy. Their history goes back to the Laker days.

I agree. This move is clearly intended to allow Jones to go to a contender and compete for a championship. Memphis had no plans to add salary, so the only thing they were going to do with Jones was to let his contract expire. You do a buyout now and save a few dollars and reward Jones for his hardwork by letting him go somewhere else.

pretty much the same situation here, no? Dolan had no intentions of adding any more salary, so guys like Jalen & Mo T were bought out... i don't buy that stuff about letting Jones go play for a contender... this is a bottomline business... he had no future there & they decided it would be better to save a few bucks & use the empty roster spot to take a look at some young talent... the difference there is that the Knicks don't have any minutes to allot to D-league players at this point, so the buyout was done strictly to save a few bucks off the luxury tax & void any means of adding any more salary in future trades.

i'm interested to see what they do w/Chucky Atkins since he's making a reasonable salary & his contract is expiring... they could probably get a good young role player to add to the roster that way if they combined his contract w/a 2nd round draft pick, but then again, they may be able to accomplish the same thing next year if they just let him expire & keep the pick.

Well, they bought him out for $300k less than what they owed him, which is nearly identical to what the pro rata minimum salary is that Jones will be paid once he goes to Miami, so Jones will not lose a dime. Since they did not try and get anything more from him, it suggests to me that the move was made in part to free Jones from the situation as a reward for his past contributions to the team. Obviously, it was also made to save a few bucks for the franchise and free up a roster spot, which I agree was probably the primary concern.

The difference between what Memphis did and the Knicks is that Memphis has no delusions that they are a playoff team (at least now they don't), so buying people out makes more sense. We still are trying to make the playoffs and are supposedly not in full rebuild mode. We probably could have added a nice player (maybe even Gasol) if we had kept one of our expiring deals. So some people give IT grief for that move. I personally was just glad that he created playing time for guys like Lee, Frye, and Balkman.
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1/31/2007  1:37 PM
so on 1 thread we have people complaining that Isiah bought out the expiring contracts of Jalen & Mo T instead of using them as trade assets to add more longterm salary to the payroll, & in another we have people complaining about taking on longterm salary & handcuffing our ability to sign guys like Kobe Bryant when they become FA's.

gotta love the consistency around these parts.
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1/31/2007  2:07 PM
Posted by TMS:

so on 1 thread we have people complaining that Isiah bought out the expiring contracts of Jalen & Mo T instead of using them as trade assets to add more longterm salary to the payroll, & in another we have people complaining about taking on longterm salary & handcuffing our ability to sign guys like Kobe Bryant when they become FA's.

gotta love the consistency around these parts.

You just don't get it. You don't hold onto expiring contracts and make trades for players like Steve Francis. GET IT!. You make a trade for a player like Gasol(Top25) with an expiring contract. You don't trade Antonio Davis for Jalen Rose and Balkman only to buyout Rose. You can draft a player like Balkman anytime. Balkman probably won't amount to be a better player than Stephen Jackson when it's all said and done.

TheGame GETS IT. This was Jerry West doing a player that exudes professionalism a favor.

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1/31/2007  2:12 PM
Keep in mind that the Memphis franchise is up for sale. I'm not sure how this plays into salary dump and contracts.
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1/31/2007  3:25 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Keep in mind that the Memphis franchise is up for sale. I'm not sure how this plays into salary dump and contracts.

That could be the case but keep in mind getting back just 300,000 of $7.5mil left to be paid isn't that much savings. This is more plausible to believe than to think Jerry West was being a stupid GM just buying out a player to buy him out.
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1/31/2007  3:59 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Keep in mind that the Memphis franchise is up for sale. I'm not sure how this plays into salary dump and contracts.

That could be the case but keep in mind getting back just 300,000 of $7.5mil left to be paid isn't that much savings. This is more plausible to believe than to think Jerry West was being a stupid GM just buying out a player to buy him out.

More plausible that Jerry West, one of the all time great GMs, just figured he would buy a guy out for no particular reason?

I am wondering if the $300,000 is doubled cause of luxury tax. When you run a business, no money is small enough to be insignificant. For instance, MSG and Cablevision dropped the dental plan on a bunch of its employees a while back (can't remember the exact details but they are in line with that). Cablevision makes globs of money a year, why would they drop the dental plan? Cause $300-$600K DOES make a difference.
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1/31/2007  5:50 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

so on 1 thread we have people complaining that Isiah bought out the expiring contracts of Jalen & Mo T instead of using them as trade assets to add more longterm salary to the payroll, & in another we have people complaining about taking on longterm salary & handcuffing our ability to sign guys like Kobe Bryant when they become FA's.

gotta love the consistency around these parts.

You just don't get it. You don't hold onto expiring contracts and make trades for players like Steve Francis. GET IT!. You make a trade for a player like Gasol(Top25) with an expiring contract. You don't trade Antonio Davis for Jalen Rose and Balkman only to buyout Rose. You can draft a player like Balkman anytime. Balkman probably won't amount to be a better player than Stephen Jackson when it's all said and done.

TheGame GETS IT. This was Jerry West doing a player that exudes professionalism a favor.

first of all, take a couple of these my friend

second, anyone who refers to themselves in the 3rd person is a homosexual.

& third, i wasn't singling you out w/that comment... it was a general observation... a lot of Knick fans in general always seem to want their cake & eat it too... they want the cap space to sign big names like Kobe but still want to trade expiring contracts for guys like Ray Allen or Pau Gasol when they become available.
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1/31/2007  11:29 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Keep in mind that the Memphis franchise is up for sale. I'm not sure how this plays into salary dump and contracts.

Andrew Brilliant! Dolan should buy the Grizz and make then trade Gasol, Miller, Lowry, Warrick, Gay, and Roberts and Alex Johnson for Jerome James and Steve Francis......cut Malik, Jefferies, Cato, and Collins and we are all good!
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1/31/2007  11:47 PM
Dolan should buy the Grizz and take anything he needs off of it and put them on the Knicks.

Apologies to you Joe, didn't see your post.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-31-2007 11:47 PM]
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1/31/2007  11:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Dolan should buy the Grizz and take anything he needs off of it and put them on the Knicks.

Apologies to you Joe, didn't see your post.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-31-2007 11:47 PM]

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