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MS
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1/29/2007  9:35 AM
Give me a break don't expect anything from eddy he is going to come into camp with the same body every year and never try on defense.

We need to build for the future and defense and rebounding along with shot blocking can do that. Look at the improvement in year one from bynum and then look at the improvement in currys career, bynum def has the edge. Now that he has been getting the minutes he is becoming a defensive machine
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1/29/2007  9:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

bynum already is a good rebounder and shot blocker. and we gambled on a historically out of shape guy that had a heart problem.
This is true. His shot blocking instincts are good but Eddy's offense is there already. All I am saying is he can use another year to improve his defense. We have Lee to make up for the rebounding this year.
what about personal pride? does the guy not want to get in the lane and try to defend? skiles, if anything, preaches and teaches defense. so although curry may have never been "developed" offensively in chicago, he did get drilled defensively. i'm not going to give him an out in terms of defense. show some growth man. he's jumping BACK in the lane. when a guard penetrates, he not only watches but he steps away. and that's not good no matter how much a coaching staff tells him to concentrate only on offense.
Hey, I think he is being told to stay away from fouls on defense. Other than Balkman, no on on this team knows how to or seems to try to play defense. We would have to come up with trade offers for all of them. Why not give this core (Curry, Frye, Lee, Q, Crawford, Balkman) another year?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-29-2007 09:41 AM]
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1/29/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Hey, I think he is being told to stay away from fouls on defense. Other than Balkman, no on on this team knows how to or seems to try to play defense. We would have to come up with trade offers for all of them. Why not give this core (Curry, Frye, Lee, Q, Crawford, Balkman) another year?

it's all about trade value. if quentin (who's trade value is low as it is) gets hurt again, then what do we do with him? will frye's value go up? decisions have to be made, and they're not easy. but that's why we need a new person in here to survey the entire team and figure out who's worth keeping and who isn't b/c isiah has a vested interest in each player.

i keep bringing up toronto. babdick drafted charlie v who finished 2nd in roy voting. but colangelo was hired and he felt that he needed a pg to play his style of ball. so he traded charlie for tj ford and now toronto is winning and is a much better team than last season. that's not saying charlie v is a bad player but he just didn't fit with the vision and especially with bosh. so do we let isiah keep trying to make the frye/curry frontcourt work or do we get a guy here that sees we need help at that position and is willing to make a move?
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1/29/2007  9:48 AM
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Posted by Silverfuel:

Hey, I think he is being told to stay away from fouls on defense. Other than Balkman, no on on this team knows how to or seems to try to play defense. We would have to come up with trade offers for all of them. Why not give this core (Curry, Frye, Lee, Q, Crawford, Balkman) another year?

it's all about trade value. if quentin (who's trade value is low as it is) gets hurt again, then what do we do with him? will frye's value go up? decisions have to be made, and they're not easy. but that's why we need a new person in here to survey the entire team and figure out who's worth keeping and who isn't b/c isiah has a vested interest in each player.

i keep bringing up toronto. babdick drafted charlie v who finished 2nd in roy voting. but colangelo was hired and he felt that he needed a pg to play his style of ball. so he traded charlie for tj ford and now toronto is winning and is a much better team than last season. that's not saying charlie v is a bad player but he just didn't fit with the vision and especially with bosh. so do we let isiah keep trying to make the frye/curry frontcourt work or do we get a guy here that sees we need help at that position and is willing to make a move?
Yea, but imagine if Eddy learns to play a little help defense and grab 3 more rebounds a game.
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1/29/2007  9:52 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Hey, I think he is being told to stay away from fouls on defense. Other than Balkman, no on on this team knows how to or seems to try to play defense. We would have to come up with trade offers for all of them. Why not give this core (Curry, Frye, Lee, Q, Crawford, Balkman) another year?

it's all about trade value. if quentin (who's trade value is low as it is) gets hurt again, then what do we do with him? will frye's value go up? decisions have to be made, and they're not easy. but that's why we need a new person in here to survey the entire team and figure out who's worth keeping and who isn't b/c isiah has a vested interest in each player.

i keep bringing up toronto. babdick drafted charlie v who finished 2nd in roy voting. but colangelo was hired and he felt that he needed a pg to play his style of ball. so he traded charlie for tj ford and now toronto is winning and is a much better team than last season. that's not saying charlie v is a bad player but he just didn't fit with the vision and especially with bosh. so do we let isiah keep trying to make the frye/curry frontcourt work or do we get a guy here that sees we need help at that position and is willing to make a move?
Yea, but imagine if Eddy learns to play a little help defense and grab 3 more rebounds a game.

let's hope.
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1/29/2007  9:58 AM
All you need to know is Eddy Curry is Lazy thats it.

Look at Januarys numbers
Bynum is finally getting minutes 30 a game
10.8pts 9.6rbs 1.8ass 2.6blks

Eddy Curry getting four more minutes and is the focal point of the offense
19.3pts 7.0rbs 0.7ass 0.5blks

I think those numbers say a lot especially since Curry has been in the league 6 years and Bynum two, and right now eddy gets 7rbs and doesn't try which is disgraceful because he could get 12 with no problem and get two shot blks i just don't think that he ever will.

If we could do these deal I think we can take our lumps for another year and really be a force down the road
Outgoing
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.6 apg in 36.8 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
10.3 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 26.3 minutes
Incoming
Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
13.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.4 apg in 28.6 minutes
Lorenzen Wright
6-11 C from Memphis
3.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.4 minutes
Josh Smith
6-9 SF from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
13.7 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 36.1 minutes

Outgoing
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
19.4 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 0.7 apg in 34.1 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
8.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.6 minutes
Incoming
Kwame Brown
6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS)
8.7 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.5 minutes
Andrew Bynum
7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS)
8.1 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 20.9 minutes

We still have our draft pick this year and give up a lot of redundant parts, if they go for these deals, I don't think I would be you never know

Bynum/James
Lee/Brown
Smith/Jefferies
Q/Balkman
Marbury/
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1/29/2007  10:06 AM
Fry can shoot the lights out. We would get something very nice to excellent back in a trade. I think Isiah would bite, unless he really knows something about Frye that we don't from watching him play and holds onto him...

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1/29/2007  10:12 AM
Look at Januarys numbers
Bynum is finally getting minutes 30 a game
10.8pts 9.6rbs 1.8ass 2.6blks

Eddy Curry getting four more minutes and is the focal point of the offense
19.3pts 7.0rbs 0.7ass 0.5blks

I think those numbers say a lot especially since Curry has been in the league 6 years and Bynum two
That says it all. 10 boards, 3 blocks a game for a 19 year old! There's no way the Lakers would give him up for Eddy.
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1/29/2007  10:13 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

let's hope.
Its not Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury can work hope. Its not, Jeffries will develop offense hope. Its not Curry will turn into Ben Wallace hope. Its hope that Curry puts his hand in a dude's face and alter shots. He needs learn to do that without picking up a dumb foul. What if Lee continues his rebounding and Balkman becomes a good defender? Thats a decent front line. I think there is a good chance he can do this so its not bad to hope.

I hope Eddy doesn't embarrass himself against Bynum. Oh man!
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1/29/2007  10:23 AM
Posted by MS:

Look at Januarys numbers
Bynum is finally getting minutes 30 a game
10.8pts 9.6rbs 1.8ass 2.6blks

Eddy Curry getting four more minutes and is the focal point of the offense
19.3pts 7.0rbs 0.7ass 0.5blks

only one more thing i would like to add is that bynum is doing this for a winning team in the western conference.
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1/29/2007  10:32 AM
For Eddy to make sense he need to drop 20-26 points.
lets say he will be at avarage about 60% and will go 7 of 12 with 9 of 12 fT for 23 points.
This is great offense. But this is 20-22 positions and as he scores late in position nad have a 2-4 turnovers - This is 12-15 min of offense from 24 the team has. he must play min 20-25 min to get his numbers and his defensive liability will most likely produce same or bigger amount of opponet points at the same time.
Knicks as a team will have another half of the TIME on offense to have about 50-55 position (they avaraged about 80 per).
So this are fast shots by guards early in the clock. This leads to long rebounds (and Eddy cannot help with rebounds around the basket). Without Lee we a screwed and have no second opportunities and the opponent has - because Eddy is not boxing out.
When lee is not playing and Eddy in we are dead in -10 and when Eddy is out and Lee in we are +.
His subdstraction will be only positive and if we can get something good for him (which I doubt) this will be great
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1/29/2007  10:37 AM
Thats a big reason not to be optimistic about the future of the team, if we even have one, everyone is excited about what isiah is doing but the fact of the matter is you have

Contracts no one wants
Crawford, Q, JJ1, JJ2, Marbury, Francis, Rose, which is unbelievable that a man can fill so many roster spots with players he can't move

Role Players
Collins, Nate

Bad Defensive players
Everyone except q, balkman fit the bill

Possible starters for the future
Curry, Lee

Highly overrated players by knick fans
Frye, Crawford and Curry

Players that can be apart of a winning team
Q, Lee, Balkman

So I don't see why the future is bright and why anyone should be optimisic Isiah has done nothing to make me confident we are not going back to the lottery again next season and we are talking late lottery, so basically he has put together a tatted up bunch of players that believe they are better than they are, can make some highlight plays and provide a lot more entertainment but will never have the substance.....
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1/29/2007  10:49 AM
Posted by MS:

Thats a big reason not to be optimistic about the future of the team, if we even have one, everyone is excited about what isiah is doing but the fact of the matter is you have

Contracts no one wants
Crawford, Q, JJ1, JJ2, Marbury, Francis, Rose, which is unbelievable that a man can fill so many roster spots with players he can't move

Role Players
Collins, Nate

Bad Defensive players
Everyone except q, balkman fit the bill

Possible starters for the future
Curry, Lee

Highly overrated players by knick fans
Frye, Crawford and Curry

Players that can be apart of a winning team
Q, Lee, Balkman

So I don't see why the future is bright and why anyone should be optimisic Isiah has done nothing to make me confident we are not going back to the lottery again next season and we are talking late lottery, so basically he has put together a tatted up bunch of players that believe they are better than they are, can make some highlight plays and provide a lot more entertainment but will never have the substance.....

You are right on the point MS - IT was hired to produce MORE ENTERTAINMENT but not substance. Mr Dolan has no idea about bbal substance so why he will want to hire somebody (LB) who will try to bring it back to NY.
MSG is about entertainment only. NY management is looking on Suns as they somehow managed to produce the product which is entertaining and winning bbal wise. But miracles are rare...
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