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Bippity10
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1/25/2007  1:39 PM
I predicted 35-38 and so far I'm right on target. No surprises on my end. Season is going exactly as I expected thus far.
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1/25/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I predicted 35-38 and so far I'm right on target. No surprises on my end. Season is going exactly as I expected thus far.

As did I, I predicted 37wins. Pretty strange that a "hater" predicted that, huh?
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1/25/2007  1:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Hater and Lover are meaningless terms when it comes to win totals. I'm on record predicting 38 victories. Thats my realistic assessment. I'm not a hater, but i'm also not naive to think we'd go from 23 wins to 42, 43, 44, in one year. That just rarely happens in the NBA unless you land a SuperStar.

Why? We were led to believe that the only reason this team didn't play .500 ball last year was because of the coach. Without him, why isn't it realistic to expect at least what they should have done last year?

I asked this same question to TMS on the grounds has the team really improved? If the team doesn't lie down like pansies last yr I thought they could have won 35gms at the minimum. Right now they are on pace to win 33-34gms. IMO the team hasn't improved, although certain players may have.
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1/25/2007  1:48 PM
Nixluva your wrong, this team wont match anything like your expections for one simple reason. They dont play hard. The Nets did everything they could to lose that game, but the Knicks simply didnt fight hard enough to win. We still see the same poor efforts we saw early this year and all last year. Everynight? No.. but I would say almost half our games when things arent going our way, the players mail it in and try again next time. The only guys I can really say are exempt are Q, Balkman and Lee who go full steam regardless. A team with this many problems wont ever play .500 much less play winning basketball if they cant give 100% for 4 qtrs of basketball a night.
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1/25/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

I predicted 35-38 and so far I'm right on target. No surprises on my end. Season is going exactly as I expected thus far.

As did I, I predicted 37wins. Pretty strange that a "hater" predicted that, huh?

I predicted 39-41wins. Stupid crackhead I am


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-25-2007 1:52 PM]
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1/25/2007  1:57 PM
I figured in the 35-39 range.

Most years the Knicks underperform relative to my already low expectations.

Does that make me a hater or lover?
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1/25/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I figured in the 35-39 range.

Most years the Knicks underperform relative to my already low expectations.

Does that make me a hater or lover?

Obviously a hater, since only a hater would go to the game and cheer for the team. I think we will continue to underperform until we actually get the idea that you need to be fundamentally sound before you even have a *chance* to go far in this league. We have three or four fundamentally sound players. The rest excel in one area and are terrible in others.
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1/25/2007  2:03 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I figured in the 35-39 range.

Most years the Knicks underperform relative to my already low expectations.

Does that make me a hater or lover?


ESPN already has a projection system in place along the same line. They have it in for this team you know this. You are in Shallow Water on this one.
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1/25/2007  2:07 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I figured in the 35-39 range.

Most years the Knicks underperform relative to my already low expectations.

Does that make me a hater or lover?
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1/25/2007  2:17 PM
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=17359

nixluva--you've been consistently inconsistent just like the theme of this post. Everyone who is employed by the Knicks will do the same thing--they want their paycheck rolling in--I don't blame them--but the wool is not pulled over the eyes:)
There are a few fans that want to see IT signed back up for another 4 years for a variety of reasons--none of which have to do with the reality of what the team is.
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1/25/2007  2:20 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Hater and Lover are meaningless terms when it comes to win totals. I'm on record predicting 38 victories. Thats my realistic assessment. I'm not a hater, but i'm also not naive to think we'd go from 23 wins to 42, 43, 44, in one year. That just rarely happens in the NBA unless you land a SuperStar.

Why? We were led to believe that the only reason this team didn't play .500 ball last year was because of the coach. Without him, why isn't it realistic to expect at least what they should have done last year?

I asked this same question to TMS on the grounds has the team really improved? If the team doesn't lie down like pansies last yr I thought they could have won 35gms at the minimum. Right now they are on pace to win 33-34gms. IMO the team hasn't improved, although certain players may have.

& i answered you by saying that if the off the court BS didn't happen between LB & Marbs, i think we could have realistically expected 40-45 wins from that team last season... as a coach, i think LB is miles ahead of Isiah... it just happened that LB wasn't able to get through to the players on this team, & he had his own personal agenda to get rid of Isiah & take over the construction of this team (which i wouldn't have been opposed to in the least btw, just so you know).

but no matter what i think MIGHT have happened, the reality is that the team was as bad as it's ever been under ANY head coach last year under LB's watch, so you really have to say that this team is an improvement from that standpoint... do i expect this team to finish w/23 wins? hell no... i expected 36 wins & it looks like that's about where this team will finish... that's why i don't go off the deep end after every loss & don't start predicting championships after every win... it's all a part of where i thought this team would be this year, & i think the extremists either way are the ones around here who are being unrealistic.
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1/25/2007  2:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=17359

nixluva--you've been consistently inconsistent just like the theme of this post. Everyone who is employed by the Knicks will do the same thing--they want their paycheck rolling in--I don't blame them--but the wool is not pulled over the eyes:)
There are a few fans that want to see IT signed back up for another 4 years for a variety of reasons--none of which have to do with the reality of what the team is.

Brigss please do me a favor and find that First 25gms projection thread.
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1/25/2007  2:24 PM
TMS I wasn't suggesting you didn't respond I just agree with Isles questioning that's all. You clearly have informed me at least, where you stand this yr vs last yr.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-25-2007 1:26 PM]
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1/25/2007  2:34 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=17359

nixluva--you've been consistently inconsistent just like the theme of this post. Everyone who is employed by the Knicks will do the same thing--they want their paycheck rolling in--I don't blame them--but the wool is not pulled over the eyes:)
There are a few fans that want to see IT signed back up for another 4 years for a variety of reasons--none of which have to do with the reality of what the team is.

Brigss please do me a favor and find that First 25gms projection thread.

trueblue--it doesn't really matter--i think there may be some posters who are employed by MSG who will $pin anything--im sure we all wanted to win 50 games before the season started--realistic or not. I really do think for the fans sake we need a change in philosophy at the top but that fallas on deaf ears. Like someone says--it isn't my money. Money controls everything--so the only guy who matters is Dolan and he doesnt give a F.
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1/25/2007  3:35 PM
I didn't know what to expect this yr truthfully. Only thing I really was expecting was Frye to be a pretty good player.

Anyway I could make a thread showing a lot of contradictions, hypocrisy, inconsistancies with a lot of the *Haters*

LB didn't just expose the players and gm. He also exposed a lot of the fans to.

There are plenty of people who have flip flopped all over the place haters & lovers. Depending on the person they support. There have been only a few posters who stay consistant.
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1/25/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I didn't know what to expect this yr truthfully. Only thing I really was expecting was Frye to be a pretty good player.

Anyway I could make a thread showing a lot of contradictions, hypocrisy, inconsistancies with a lot of the *Haters*

LB didn't just expose the players and gm. He also exposed a lot of the fans to.

There are plenty of people who have flip flopped all over the place haters & lovers. Depending on the person they support. There have been only a few posters who stay consistant.

I've been consistently consistent. Matter of fact I haven't seen any poster on this board post a lower projected win total than myself. I don't see how a HATER can be hypocritical.
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1/25/2007  3:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Hater and Lover are meaningless terms when it comes to win totals. I'm on record predicting 38 victories. Thats my realistic assessment. I'm not a hater, but i'm also not naive to think we'd go from 23 wins to 42, 43, 44, in one year. That just rarely happens in the NBA unless you land a SuperStar.

Why? We were led to believe that the only reason this team didn't play .500 ball last year was because of the coach. Without him, why isn't it realistic to expect at least what they should have done last year?

Who led you to believe this? Wasn't I. We haven't been a .500 team since JVG left.
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1/25/2007  3:55 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I didn't know what to expect this yr truthfully. Only thing I really was expecting was Frye to be a pretty good player.

Anyway I could make a thread showing a lot of contradictions, hypocrisy, inconsistancies with a lot of the *Haters*

LB didn't just expose the players and gm. He also exposed a lot of the fans to.

There are plenty of people who have flip flopped all over the place haters & lovers. Depending on the person they support. There have been only a few posters who stay consistant.

I've been consistently consistent. Matter of fact I haven't seen any poster on this board post a lower projected win total than myself. I don't see how a HATER can be hypocritical.

Your new to me. All I have really gotten from your post are how poor a rebounder and defender Curry is. I see that your only talking about consistancy with what the record projections. I was talking about everything that has gone on with the knicks. I see that we are on 2 different pages.
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1/25/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Hater and Lover are meaningless terms when it comes to win totals. I'm on record predicting 38 victories. Thats my realistic assessment. I'm not a hater, but i'm also not naive to think we'd go from 23 wins to 42, 43, 44, in one year. That just rarely happens in the NBA unless you land a SuperStar.

Why? We were led to believe that the only reason this team didn't play .500 ball last year was because of the coach. Without him, why isn't it realistic to expect at least what they should have done last year?

Who led you to believe this? Wasn't I. We haven't been a .500 team since JVG left.

The players, who got their joy back, the owner, who blames everything on LB, and the team president and GM who blamed LB for not being able to win with the collection of stiffs that he assembled.
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1/25/2007  7:26 PM
Isiah is reaping what he sows...my favorite term describing him. He is the Herm Edwards of this team...great motivator, great coach on days we do not have games. But when it comes to gametime, he is not so good. Look at the clock/time management- so similar to Herm. I am a Jets fan. We need the MANGINI-OUS...the NBA version of Mangini. Mangini took a collection of young dudes, with no superstar and a QB with two shoulder surgeries to a 10-6 record and the first round. He drafted two solid players in Mangold and D'Brick (who looks like Curry) to revitalize the offensive line. I guess Balkman and Lee could be those guys...sort of.

Nonetheless, we need a guy who worked under a very successful coach in a very successful organization that worked his way through the ranks and finally found a coach that taught him the ropes.
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