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Bippity10
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1/25/2007  2:14 PM
To be honest with his ability Curry should be averaging a double double a night. But at this point I'm accepting that it will be a while before Curry "threatens" to start rebounding. In the meantime since he is the obvious young focal point of the team we need to build a team that can eliminate the effect of his weaknesses. We've done a good job of minimizing his rebounding flaw. But absolutely nothing to limit the affect of his poor interior defense. Or deal with the inevitable break down of Marbs. Instead of signing role players now to try and eek out a playoff spot, why not target all our resources on finding a young PG to grow with Curry. Or a shotblocking bigman that can platoon up front. Or a SF that can play on both sides of the ball for the next 10 years.

One day my friends. One day.

Jeffries is who he is. A role player. Trying to fill a void on a team that is still trying to eek some wins out of Marbury and excited a base by making the playoffs. And not really building towards anything.
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Solace
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1/25/2007  2:15 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

No, for a SG like Houston I would have expected an outstanding score and shooter. Same for a SF.

For a PG I'd expect someone who can score, dish and most importantly run an offense.

For a PF or C I'd expect someone who can score, rebound well and for a center, someone who can defend the paint.

let me ask you, why don't i ever hear you complain about David Lee's lack of a low post game, or his lack of defense? why in his case can you accept the fact that he's simply not that type of player, & yet kill Eddy Curry for not being the type of player he clearly isn't? it's because of the reason i set forth... we gave up a ton to get him so your expectations of him are raised to those levels, just like when people rag on Houston's lack of defense & rebounding after he signed that huge contract.

David Lee isn't *supposed* to be our franchise player. Eddy Curry is. If EC was the #3 option on the team (e.g.: we had two players who were better and more of a focal point), then you could cut Eddy some slack. This franchise only goes as far as Ey "No D" Curry takes it. The same is not true of David Lee. It's hard to say David Lee is our franchise player when he's not even starting. It's like criticizing Bruce Bowen for not being Tim Duncan. He's not supposed to be. But Tim Duncan is.
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1/25/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Instead of signing role players now to try and eek out a playoff spot, why not target all our resources on finding a young PG to grow with Curry.

will you please let this marcus williams thing go already
islesfan
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1/25/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

No, for a SG like Houston I would have expected an outstanding score and shooter. Same for a SF.

For a PG I'd expect someone who can score, dish and most importantly run an offense.

For a PF or C I'd expect someone who can score, rebound well and for a center, someone who can defend the paint.

let me ask you, why don't i ever hear you complain about David Lee's lack of a low post game, or his lack of defense? why in his case can you accept the fact that he's simply not that type of player, & yet kill Eddy Curry for not being the type of player he clearly isn't? it's because of the reason i set forth... we gave up a ton to get him so your expectations of him are raised to those levels, just like when people rag on Houston's lack of defense & rebounding after he signed that huge contract.

Because there's no doubt in my mind that Lee leaves it all on the floor every night. Same with Q, same with Balkman. They aren't perfect but they try their hardest.

Can you say the same about Curry?

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1/25/2007  2:17 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I expect Curry to get doubles doubles regularly and put some kind of fear into opponents faces as they Waltz through the lane. Meanwhile let's just keep lowering the bar like we've always done.

you're doing the exact opposite in raising the bar beyond a level that you already know Curry probably will never achieve, & yet continue to bemoan the fact that he'll never achieve it.


I believe Curry can be a consistent double double if he applied himself and wanted to. I think it's sad that fans like you and many others have already accepted the fact he won't achieve that status. The guy is 24yrs old.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-25-2007 1:18 PM]
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1/25/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

No, for a SG like Houston I would have expected an outstanding score and shooter. Same for a SF.

For a PG I'd expect someone who can score, dish and most importantly run an offense.

For a PF or C I'd expect someone who can score, rebound well and for a center, someone who can defend the paint.

let me ask you, why don't i ever hear you complain about David Lee's lack of a low post game, or his lack of defense? why in his case can you accept the fact that he's simply not that type of player, & yet kill Eddy Curry for not being the type of player he clearly isn't? it's because of the reason i set forth... we gave up a ton to get him so your expectations of him are raised to those levels, just like when people rag on Houston's lack of defense & rebounding after he signed that huge contract.

David Lee isn't *supposed* to be our franchise player. Eddy Curry is. If EC was the #3 option on the team (e.g.: we had two players who were better and more of a focal point), then you could cut Eddy some slack. This franchise only goes as far as Ey "No D" Curry takes it. The same is not true of David Lee. It's hard to say David Lee is our franchise player when he's not even starting. It's like criticizing Bruce Bowen for not being Tim Duncan. He's not supposed to be. But Tim Duncan is.

i think you just reinforced what i just said
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TMS
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1/25/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I expect Curry to get doubles doubles regularly and put some kind of fear into opponents faces as they Waltz through the lane. Meanwhile let's just keep lowering the bar like we've always done.

you're doing the exact opposite in raising the bar beyond a level that you already know Curry probably will never achieve, & yet continue to bemoan the fact that he'll never achieve it.


I believe Curry can be a consistent double double if he applied himself and wanted to. I think it's sad that fans like you and many others have already accepted the fact he won't achieve that status. The guy is 24yrs old.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-25-2007 1:18 PM]


i think it's sad that fans like you put words into my mouth when i've already gone on record saying i think Curry's a work in progress & fully expect him to improve in the coming years... you on the other hand, expect him to be a finished product right now... there's the difference between fans like you & fans like me dude.
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1/25/2007  2:32 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

No, for a SG like Houston I would have expected an outstanding score and shooter. Same for a SF.

For a PG I'd expect someone who can score, dish and most importantly run an offense.

For a PF or C I'd expect someone who can score, rebound well and for a center, someone who can defend the paint.

let me ask you, why don't i ever hear you complain about David Lee's lack of a low post game, or his lack of defense? why in his case can you accept the fact that he's simply not that type of player, & yet kill Eddy Curry for not being the type of player he clearly isn't? it's because of the reason i set forth... we gave up a ton to get him so your expectations of him are raised to those levels, just like when people rag on Houston's lack of defense & rebounding after he signed that huge contract.

Because there's no doubt in my mind that Lee leaves it all on the floor every night. Same with Q, same with Balkman. They aren't perfect but they try their hardest.

Can you say the same about Curry?

i don't know... i see Curry playing the most minutes he's ever played in his career... i see him putting up career high's in points & rebounds... i see him being a monster on the low block on a consistent basis whereas he wasn't in previous years... can i honestly sit here & accurately say that i think he's not putting out a full effort? no, i can't, & neither can you... just because he's big & doesn't get off the ground or up & down the court like Lee & Balkman doesn't mean he's not trying out there... i give him another offseason to trim down some more & come into next season even more dominant that he is this year... the kid is still growing into his body at his age & i'm not going to kill him for not being at the level i expect him to be right now when i pretty much know he's still a work in progress.
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1/25/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

No, for a SG like Houston I would have expected an outstanding score and shooter. Same for a SF.

For a PG I'd expect someone who can score, dish and most importantly run an offense.

For a PF or C I'd expect someone who can score, rebound well and for a center, someone who can defend the paint.

let me ask you, why don't i ever hear you complain about David Lee's lack of a low post game, or his lack of defense? why in his case can you accept the fact that he's simply not that type of player, & yet kill Eddy Curry for not being the type of player he clearly isn't? it's because of the reason i set forth... we gave up a ton to get him so your expectations of him are raised to those levels, just like when people rag on Houston's lack of defense & rebounding after he signed that huge contract.

David Lee isn't *supposed* to be our franchise player. Eddy Curry is. If EC was the #3 option on the team (e.g.: we had two players who were better and more of a focal point), then you could cut Eddy some slack. This franchise only goes as far as Ey "No D" Curry takes it. The same is not true of David Lee. It's hard to say David Lee is our franchise player when he's not even starting. It's like criticizing Bruce Bowen for not being Tim Duncan. He's not supposed to be. But Tim Duncan is.

i think you just reinforced what i just said

I believe I did.
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Bonn1997
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1/25/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

No, for a SG like Houston I would have expected an outstanding score and shooter. Same for a SF.

For a PG I'd expect someone who can score, dish and most importantly run an offense.

For a PF or C I'd expect someone who can score, rebound well and for a center, someone who can defend the paint.

let me ask you, why don't i ever hear you complain about David Lee's lack of a low post game, or his lack of defense? why in his case can you accept the fact that he's simply not that type of player, & yet kill Eddy Curry for not being the type of player he clearly isn't? it's because of the reason i set forth... we gave up a ton to get him so your expectations of him are raised to those levels, just like when people rag on Houston's lack of defense & rebounding after he signed that huge contract.

In addition to what Solace and Isles said about effort and expectations, Lee also does several things well that you do need from your forwards--so people forgive him for not doing any one particular thing. Curry does several things poorly and only one thing well. You may be right that Eddy's exerting 100% effort, but the problem is 100% effort won't get you very far in the NBA when you're carrying around 15 to 20 too many pounds of fat (about 5 to 8% of body weight).
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