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MS
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1/25/2007  9:55 AM
I am sorry i made the ty thomas comparision the other night about 4 games and 13blks in relation to eddy playing 16games and getting 13blks.....

But lets just keep it in the family, Nate Robinson 8rbs everyone mentions it but comon Eddy your a disgrace. I don't care how dominant he is in the low post.

Name 5 big men that start in the NBA that are worst than eddy in blks,rbs,ass you can't do it.....He is the furthest thing from an all-star he just doesn't try to make any impact. Curry's mo is he never tries if there isn't anything in it for him. Defense clearly isn't a benefit situation for eddy. I don't want to hear there is only one ball 5rbs a night should fall in your lap at that size and you should get another 5 just by going after it. He has huge arms an athletic body and he is quick on his feet so why is he not averaging 2blks a night.....its disgraceful....
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1/25/2007  10:07 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

there's only 1 ball guys... someone's going to grab the ball when it comes off the rim... if Curry grabs 11 last night, maybe D Lee only gets 8, or Nate only gets 5... who the hell cares as long as SOMEONE'S getting the ball & keeping the other team from getting it? Curry was dominant in the low post in the 1st half of the game & was the only reason why this team was even in the game at that point... then Jamal took over in the 4th quarter & almost got them back in the game himself... why you guys consistently rag on these guys when they actually contribute & don't say a word about the pisspoor performances of guys like Channing, Nate, Jefferies or Q Rich last night is beyond me.


I like the notion that we as fans can't be upset at some of these players when they supposedly are doing far more good than bad and the team sits 8gms under .500. The other players on this team IMO are a byproduct of being Curry, Jamal, and Steph's flunkies. These are the leaders of this team and with exception to Steph's couple of defensive games are some of the biggest laibilities on defense, yet they are protected, coddled, praised.... even during poor play. The other guys receive quick hooks in games or pot shots from Zeke.

True, where am i saying you can't be upset at players? i just find it very hypocritical for you to rag on Curry for only grabbing 4 rebounds last night when he put up 25 on offense, & yet don't mention a word about another 1 of Channing's 11 & 4 subpar performances, or Q Rich's non existent game last night, or Nate's pisspoor shooting, or Malik's non existent defense... those last 4 were a lot more of a contributor to the loss than Curry only grabbing 4 rebounds... anyone who watched the game should be able to see it.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-25-2007 10:07 AM]
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1/25/2007  10:11 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

there's only 1 ball guys... someone's going to grab the ball when it comes off the rim... if Curry grabs 11 last night, maybe D Lee only gets 8, or Nate only gets 5... who the hell cares as long as SOMEONE'S getting the ball & keeping the other team from getting it? Curry was dominant in the low post in the 1st half of the game & was the only reason why this team was even in the game at that point... then Jamal took over in the 4th quarter & almost got them back in the game himself... why you guys consistently rag on these guys when they actually contribute & don't say a word about the pisspoor performances of guys like Channing, Nate, Jefferies or Q Rich last night is beyond me.


I like the notion that we as fans can't be upset at some of these players when they supposedly are doing far more good than bad and the team sits 8gms under .500. The other players on this team IMO are a byproduct of being Curry, Jamal, and Steph's flunkies. These are the leaders of this team and with exception to Steph's couple of defensive games are some of the biggest laibilities on defense, yet they are protected, coddled, praised.... even during poor play. The other guys receive quick hooks in games or pot shots from Zeke.

True, where am i saying you can't be upset at players? i just find it very hypocritical for you to rag on Curry for only grabbing 4 rebounds last night when he put up 25 on offense, & yet don't mention a word about another 1 of Channing's 11 & 4 subpar performances, or Q Rich's non existent game last night, or Nate's pisspoor shooting, or Malik's non existent defense... those last 4 were a lot more of a contributor to the loss than Curry only grabbing 4 rebounds... anyone who watched the game should be able to see it.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-25-2007 10:07 AM]

Because Channing, Q, and some of the others aren't the focal point. I bet if the offense was run through Channing or Q their numbers would be just as good if not better than Curry's 19pts/7reb. Curry is the cornerstone and I want more from my conerstone than just good offensive numbers. The team didn't give up high valued draft picks for Frye or Q nor a contract that has an early opt out for him to make stupid money in the very near future. But to acknowledge what you are saying yes Frye and Q deserve some criticism.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-25-2007 09:13 AM]
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1/25/2007  10:14 AM
Thats because frye sucks anyone who thinks that kid has a strong future doesn't have a clue.....

You can't just do one thing very well and be horrid at everything else he is such a bad defender and doesn't try to rebound or challenge shots, thats why everyone is on him....And considering we lost a pick last year for the guy and will lose one again this year and our future is tied to the guys hands i think he deserves some critcism, he is still not in great shape and frankly he will never be, so in the long term would i rather have our two picks, yes because right now whats to say we are not going to be in the lottery next season.....

The Bucks have played a ton of games with Williams, Redd, Villenueva and our records are idenitcal

The Raptors played without Chris Bosh and they are still ahead of us and lets face it they don't have a ton of people...

By next year the bobcats will be better than us....... (Felton/May/Okafur/Lottery pick)

The Hawks always hand us our lunch and are a player away from being very good, they probably don't know taht

The celtics are headed towards a very high pick and their young talent looks just as good as ours if not better and can get some good things for pierce

The Wizards have three players that will keep the team ahead of the knicks for a long time

So if i am a knicks fan and don't get worried or light curry up when he doesn't do the real things that help win games, i just blind and ignorant
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1/25/2007  10:22 AM
I rather Curry pull down 4rebs but have it be in crunch time than 12rebs and then fail to boxout for consecutive possessions late in games because he is too tired
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1/25/2007  10:28 AM
Curry's will hopefully improve his rebounding over time. Maybe next year, he'll average 8.5 rpg. What's interesting are the high expectations we put on him.

Sure he doesn't get steals, rebounds, or blocks - he's a lot like the Nets' Jason Collins, who brings so many intangibles that they don't even show up on the box score! Of course, the difference between the two is that Curry is capable of averaging 20ppg and setting the tone offensively.

Comparing Stoudemire to Curry... is there anything to Stoudemire's game on offense that Curry *can't* do? Amare isn't a brilliant rebounder either, but he has more chances than Curry due to the high scoring nature of his team.
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1/25/2007  10:37 AM
Posted by technomaster:


Comparing Stoudemire to Curry... is there anything to Stoudemire's game on offense that Curry *can't* do?
Is that a joke? Curry would probably die of a heart attack if he tried to play at the high speed on offense in the Suns' system that Amare can play at.
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1/25/2007  10:40 AM
As I said before, this team is number 1 in rebounding (if I am not mistaken), so that is not the issue. Curry needs to bring more interior defense and learn how to show up in help defense situations. I really think he will get better as the coaching staff continues to work with him. he is not a natural defensive player and will have to be trained in that aspect of the game. It is right to criticize Curry because he is the key to this team's future. If he improves his passing out of the post and defense and conditioning, we have a franchise center for the next 5-6 years. At the same time, given that he plays with Lee and Q, who are both above-average rebounders, I am not going to go crazy about him only getting 3-4 rebounds in some games.
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1/25/2007  10:55 AM
Amare lets see:

1. Run the floor
2. Not commit dumb offensive fouls
3. Hit an outside shot
4. Not need to be the focal point of the offense to score his points
5. Get a rebound and finish on a nightly basis

Why shouldn't we have high expectations, he is the future of the team everything is invested in him, if he doesn't become an All-Star this franchise may never recover.....Eddy Curry and Crawford to the Hawks for Smith and their draft pick, i would do it....Curry hasn't improved on defense in his entire career....Like Skiles said when asked how curry could become a better rebounder "Jump"
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1/25/2007  11:01 AM
Posted by TheGame:

As I said before, this team is number 1 in rebounding (if I am not mistaken), so that is not the issue. Curry needs to bring more interior defense and learn how to show up in help defense situations. I really think he will get better as the coaching staff continues to work with him. he is not a natural defensive player and will have to be trained in that aspect of the game. It is right to criticize Curry because he is the key to this team's future. If he improves his passing out of the post and defense and conditioning, we have a franchise center for the next 5-6 years. At the same time, given that he plays with Lee and Q, who are both above-average rebounders, I am not going to go crazy about him only getting 3-4 rebounds in some games.

not entirely true. Knicks may be the best rebounding team but there still could be rebounding opportunities out there that they are missing because of poor boxing out, etc. ...and that would make them an even BETTER rebounding team.
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1/25/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

As I said before, this team is number 1 in rebounding (if I am not mistaken), so that is not the issue. Curry needs to bring more interior defense and learn how to show up in help defense situations. I really think he will get better as the coaching staff continues to work with him. he is not a natural defensive player and will have to be trained in that aspect of the game. It is right to criticize Curry because he is the key to this team's future. If he improves his passing out of the post and defense and conditioning, we have a franchise center for the next 5-6 years. At the same time, given that he plays with Lee and Q, who are both above-average rebounders, I am not going to go crazy about him only getting 3-4 rebounds in some games.

not entirely true. Knicks may be the best rebounding team but there still could be rebounding opportunities out there that they are missing because of poor boxing out, etc. ...and that would make them an even BETTER rebounding team.

Knicks aren't loosing games because of bad rebounding- rebounding is keeping them in games- especially D Lee on the offensive glass.

Knicks are in a hole because because of poor execution- turnovers.

If they could scale back turnovers 3-4 a game- that would translate into additional shot attempts for the knicks and fewer easy baskets for the other team- our point differential would suddenly swing to positive and we'd be winning more games.

We're not loosing games because Curry can't rebound- What kind of positive rebound differential do we need?

We need less turnovers.

And Curry is a turnover machine, though he has gotten better.
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1/25/2007  12:16 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Curry's will hopefully improve his rebounding over time. Maybe next year, he'll average 8.5 rpg. What's interesting are the high expectations we put on him.

On ESPN's list of centers who are on pace to play in 70 games or collect 800 rebounds, Eddy Curry is 39th out of 46 in rebounds per 48 minutes.

On ESPN's list of centers who are on pace to play in 70 games or block 100 shots, Eddy Curry is 42nd out of 47 in blocks per 48 minutes.

Shame on us for having higher expectations than that.

Reboundings, blocks and defense in general are all based on effort, desire and hustle. Curry exhibits none of these traits which is why he's so poor at them. Lee and Balkman don't have Curry's natural gifts and size but they do they things much better because they try. Why is it expecting too much of Curry to try?
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1/25/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by technomaster:

Curry's will hopefully improve his rebounding over time. Maybe next year, he'll average 8.5 rpg. What's interesting are the high expectations we put on him.

On ESPN's list of centers who are on pace to play in 70 games or collect 800 rebounds, Eddy Curry is 39th out of 46 in rebounds per 48 minutes.

On ESPN's list of centers who are on pace to play in 70 games or block 100 shots, Eddy Curry is 42nd out of 47 in blocks per 48 minutes.

Shame on us for having higher expectations than that.

Reboundings, blocks and defense in general are all based on effort, desire and hustle. Curry exhibits none of these traits which is why he's so poor at them. Lee and Balkman don't have Curry's natural gifts and size but they do they things much better because they try. Why is it expecting too much of Curry to try?

Yeah but he's top 5 in turnovers. It all cancels out!
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1/25/2007  1:17 PM
Posted by Travla:

Curry is a terrible rebounder. it's just a sense of wanting to do it. This league is full of players who can do one thing or another but very few who care to be well rounded.
If Curry cared about rebounding, he'd do it.


Thank You ! And some of these knuckleheads want to label him a franchise player

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