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SlimPack
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1/24/2007  10:00 PM
curry is not a franchise player.
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1/24/2007  10:05 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I'm so sick of all the cry baby stuff every time there's a loss.

do you know what i realized tonight? i would be so so soooo happy if the knicks rebuilt. in fact, I think you would be too. the knicsk are losing to the suns but I actually dont care, in fact im satisfied with the way they played and am kind of excited about the young guys potential. Its nice to watch a team with no ego's were everyone is willing to play hard for one another. but that excitement wont last since in the back of my mind I know that we arent rebuilding and that we are dependant on marbury who has never been out of the second round, and curry, a potential future all star becuase of his scoring alone to take us to the championship. a plan that seems, ill-conceived at best.
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1/24/2007  10:08 PM
Posted by TheGame:

No need to blow it up. I think Curry, Lee, Balkman, Q, and Marbury can be part of a championship team. Even Nate, if he matures, can be a good player. Crawford is good, but his poor decision-making will kill any team trying to make a championship run and Frye has offensive skill but his lack of mobility on defense will not work with Curry and Lee (Lee being an average defender and Curry being a poor defender). So you trade Crawford and Frye (both of whom have decent trade value) and try to package them with Jeffries to get his salary off the team. You bring in some pieces that fit better, like a two-way SG that can hit the 3, and a defensive-mind PF that can block some shots. We still have our 1st round draft pick and we can use the MLE to hopefully find a GOOD player next year. It is as simple as that. Let the young players mature and once Marbury and Francis are in the last year of their deals we can use their expiring contracts and 1 or 2 of the young bucks to bring in a franchise player. This team is really not that far away from being competitive.

thats actually not a terrible plan. unfortunately Isiah doesn't understand the concept of players that fit, nor does he seem to be capable of using the mid level exception on useful players. also I'm not sure that the expiring contracts can be used to acquire a franchise player. The Knicks so far obviously haven't been able to do it, and I don't know of any other team that was able to do it either.

but you know what though? if Isiah said something like what you just said in a press conference or whatever, I wouldn't even be as upset with him as I am now, because at least then that would mean that he has some kind of plan. whereas right now based on how he makes moves (such as surrounding curry with a defensively weak front court and a bad 3 point shooting backcourt, hiring larry brown to coach a stephon marbury led team, trading for mo taylor), he doesn't have one.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 01-24-2007 10:36 PM]
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1/24/2007  10:08 PM
Some of you make it sound like the Knicks were loaded with talent and had cap flexibility before Isiah got here.
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1/24/2007  10:09 PM
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1/24/2007  10:21 PM
Posted by Rich:

Some of you make it sound like the Knicks were loaded with talent and had cap flexibility before Isiah got here.

they weren't, but what does that have to do with anything? are you saying that Isiah shouldn't be fired for doing a bad job because the previous GM did an even worse job? I don't see what one has to do with the other.

anyway although it may sound like it, I don't want Isiah fired. at least not yet anyway. I don't think its too late to turn this situation around but so far I haven't seen a lot of evidence that he can. but first I just need to see that he has some kind of plan, but it appears he doesn't.
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1/24/2007  10:46 PM
They blew it up.

This is the team, get used to it.

The bed is made.
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1/24/2007  10:48 PM
Posted by Rich:

Some of you make it sound like the Knicks were loaded with talent and had cap flexibility before Isiah got here.


We weren't loaded with talent but we would have been way better off with out his trades.
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1/24/2007  10:53 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by Rich:

Some of you make it sound like the Knicks were loaded with talent and had cap flexibility before Isiah got here.


We weren't loaded with talent but we would have been way better off with out his trades.

With Dolan as the owner? I'm not sure. Curry (as long as the Knicks don't end up giving up the rights to Oden), Lee, and maybe Frye and Q, are very good pieces to build around.
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1/24/2007  10:55 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Rich:

Some of you make it sound like the Knicks were loaded with talent and had cap flexibility before Isiah got here.

they weren't, but what does that have to do with anything? are you saying that Isiah shouldn't be fired for doing a bad job because the previous GM did an even worse job? I don't see what one has to do with the other.

anyway although it may sound like it, I don't want Isiah fired. at least not yet anyway. I don't think its too late to turn this situation around but so far I haven't seen a lot of evidence that he can. but first I just need to see that he has some kind of plan, but it appears he doesn't.

I'm saying that he hasn't done a very good job, but I think he has done a better job than many people (some who post here) give him credit for (as long as the Bulls don't get Oden).
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1/24/2007  11:09 PM
Posted by Rich:

With Dolan as the owner? I'm not sure. Curry (as long as the Knicks don't end up giving up the rights to Oden), Lee, and maybe Frye and Q, are very good pieces to build around.

I'm not trying to nitpick, but we might be losing out on the draft rights to Kevin Durant as well, who is probably leading the Player of the Year award voting right now. Add that to last year where we could have selected Brandon Roy or Randy Foye and I think we could have had some better pieces.

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1/24/2007  11:41 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

With Dolan as the owner? I'm not sure. Curry (as long as the Knicks don't end up giving up the rights to Oden), Lee, and maybe Frye and Q, are very good pieces to build around.

I'm not trying to nitpick, but we might be losing out on the draft rights to Kevin Durant as well, who is probably leading the Player of the Year award voting right now. Add that to last year where we could have selected Brandon Roy or Randy Foye and I think we could have had some better pieces.

Maybe, but could you imagine what Curry could do if he played with a PG like Nash?

[Edited by - Rich on 01-24-2007 11:41 PM]
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1/24/2007  11:46 PM
Posted by Rich:


Maybe, but could you imagine what Curry could do if he played with a PG like Nash?

[Edited by - Rich on 01-24-2007 11:41 PM]

Imagine any player playing with a PG like Nash?

I like Curry, I really do, he's a fabulous offensive player but his limitations are quite glaring in other areas of his game. It's great to have our starting Center scoring 20+ ppg but there ARE other areas to a basketball game and Curry doesn't fill any of them. That is my main gripe.

If we had already built a team and we already had a top Wing(could have had Roy or Foye) player who can be built around then I'd have no problem adding a inside offensive force like Eddy but that's not the case. To boot, we might have had the chance at Durant or Oden this year, as well as a guy like Noah or Al Horford. My fear is that we are building around a big-guy who does nothing but score and that seriously concerns me.

Honestly, I hate playing the hindsight is 20/20 game but this time, I just can't help but see what could have been, I don't know. This damn team kills me, I'll tell you that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-24-2007 11:53 PM]
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1/24/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

With Dolan as the owner? I'm not sure. Curry (as long as the Knicks don't end up giving up the rights to Oden), Lee, and maybe Frye and Q, are very good pieces to build around.

I'm not trying to nitpick, but we might be losing out on the draft rights to Kevin Durant as well, who is probably leading the Player of the Year award voting right now. Add that to last year where we could have selected Brandon Roy or Randy Foye and I think we could have had some better pieces.

Maybe, but could you imagine what Curry could do if he played with a PG like Nash?

[Edited by - Rich on 01-24-2007 11:41 PM]

He'd be crossing midcourt about the same time someone else got an assist from Nash.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/24/2007  11:57 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

With Dolan as the owner? I'm not sure. Curry (as long as the Knicks don't end up giving up the rights to Oden), Lee, and maybe Frye and Q, are very good pieces to build around.

I'm not trying to nitpick, but we might be losing out on the draft rights to Kevin Durant as well, who is probably leading the Player of the Year award voting right now. Add that to last year where we could have selected Brandon Roy or Randy Foye and I think we could have had some better pieces.

Maybe, but could you imagine what Curry could do if he played with a PG like Nash?

[Edited by - Rich on 01-24-2007 11:41 PM]

He'd be crossing midcourt about the same time someone else got an assist from Nash.

As if.
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