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BigSm00th
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1/24/2007  3:01 PM
plus he's ice cold when the game is on the line. not sure why that hasn't been brought up, but the guy has a pair of cojones, which is nice to see.

marbury's playing the best ball of his career, what are the knicks gonna do? buy him out? with jalen and clarence and allan and all these other bums -- shandon i think -- dolan's probably tired of that. plus u can't justify buying the guy when he's finally playing D and at least trying to lead.

if marbury gets hurt crawford should without a doubt be the starting pg. nate isn't a pg, i don't care what ppl say, his head is so far up his ass. collins hasn't shown me much other than keeping ppl out of the paint
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1/24/2007  4:11 PM
The title of this thread runs up my blood pressure. All you Marbs haters, get ready for what you think you wanted.
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1/24/2007  4:26 PM
Briggs, good post, but here are my gripes vs crawford, and remember I really love this kid as a player. At the end of the Kings game when the pressured the knicks, i think it was the kings game, he and nate fell apart, they folded under the pressure and they looked as if they were all thumbs with the ball, it was such an unprofessional job, I can't trust that. Craw also relaxes on defense too much for me, and he is just too inconsistent of a shooter.

I think until we get someone better than marbs at that spot, we really need him, especially the way he has been playing lately. Instead of Marcus williams, Iwanted the knicks to go after kyle lowry, whom I think is going to be a nice PG.

Jeffries IMO as you mentioned is a bust so far, Balkman can do what he does for sure...

I like nate also, he is a skilled player,watch him, he is good with the ball, can shoot and make shots when he is playing under some kind of control.

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1/24/2007  4:28 PM
Look HOW WELL Crawford played POINT GUARD when Marbury went out last year

Look how well? He played the PG like hot garbage last year until the last 3-4 meaningless weeks of the season! He was clueless! Look at the February he had in '06! It was god-awful!!!!

The "progress" he showed last year in the final month (Otherwise known as being hot) he was shooting more--more 3's especially--than he had all season. He was played at PG, but he was classic JC--jacking it up--he was just making them.

I hope JC steps in real nice at PG to spell Marbury while he is injured, but JC playing extended games at PG is a terrible proposition.

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1/24/2007  4:30 PM
This may have been said before, but the only thing Crawford is consistent at is being inconsistent. Sometimes he plays d; usually he doesn't. Sometimes he hits his jumper; sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he drives to the hoop; too often he settles for a bad outside shot. After several years of this, I'm just assuming he'll never change.
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1/24/2007  4:35 PM
I think LB had the right idea playing Jamal as a PG. I think by the end of last season, he finally got it...he may not have been so good last Feb but PUH-LEASE, with every one so damn critical of LB and his inconsistency and the line-ups, etc, etc...how would you expect JC to be great last Feb? However, by the last two months of the season, he was awesome.

BTW...Nate has a total of 45 turnovers this season AND a total of 44 ASSISTS...LOL, Nate a PG!!!
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1/24/2007  4:35 PM
Posted by Ira:

This may have been said before, but the only thing Crawford is consistent at is being inconsistent. Sometimes he plays d; usually he doesn't. Sometimes he hits his jumper; sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he drives to the hoop; too often he settles for a bad outside shot. After several years of this, I'm just assuming he'll never change.

I think that Crawford is a better PG than he is a SG. Maybe that's the confusion.
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1/24/2007  4:38 PM
how many different head coaches has this kid played for over his career? has he ever had a consistent head coach for a period of over 2 seasons at least that could mold him into a true PG? i thought LB was well on his way to doing that last season, but now Jamal has been put into the familiar position of having to learn yet another new head coach's system & to figure out what role he expects him to fill on the team.
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Posted by Queeniepop:

I think LB had the right idea playing Jamal as a PG. I think by the end of last season, he finally got it...he may not have been so good last Feb but PUH-LEASE, with every one so damn critical of LB and his inconsistency and the line-ups, etc, etc...how would you expect JC to be great last Feb? However, by the last two months of the season, he was awesome.

BTW...Nate has a total of 45 turnovers this season AND a total of 44 ASSISTS...LOL, Nate a PG!!!

His play last year had nothing to do with LB's lineups. Maybe the last 4 weeks of the season he was awesome, definitely not 2 months. Just like every year he has 3-4 awesome weeks. LB only played Crawford as a PG because he had to, Marbury was out.


Crawford does this every year. Let's hope his 4 awesome weeks are starting right.....now.

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1/25/2007  9:31 AM
i thought he did a good job of orchestrating the offense last night, & he almost single handledly brought the team back in the 4th quarter when he got hot... you guys rag on this guy a lot for his shot selection & his constant bricking up of shots when he's cold, but last night i think it's fair to say it was Nate & Q Rich who were putrid on the offense & Malik who was putrid on the defense that really cost us the game... Jamal, D Lee & Curry were probably the only ones balling last night, along w/Balkman in some spurts... i thought those guys were the best on the floor all night, so why Malik was in the game late when we needed a defensive stop over Balkman or Cato, i have no idea.
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1/25/2007  9:36 AM
Its hard to ever suppost Jamal when you see him play a game like last night, in control, intelligent and taking over when he needs to. Others were not hitting shots otherwise we would have been in the game......

He should be playing like this every game and a lot has to do with the poor coaching job isiah is doing with him, allowing him free range and the ability to take any shot he wants.

Thats the jamal crawford last night that he should really be, but will never become if isiah allows him to be green light
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1/25/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by MS:

Its hard to ever suppost Jamal when you see him play a game like last night, in control, intelligent and taking over when he needs to. Others were not hitting shots otherwise we would have been in the game......

He should be playing like this every game and a lot has to do with the poor coaching job isiah is doing with him, allowing him free range and the ability to take any shot he wants.

Thats the jamal crawford last night that he should really be, but will never become if isiah allows him to be green light

I think it's the difference between playing PG and SG. As SG you gotta shoot, as PG you gotta get your teammates shots.
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1/25/2007  10:00 AM
why do you think i always tell u guys i want to see Jamal be given the role of orchestrator... he proved how he can play once again last night... how many assists did he get? 11? 12? when's the last time any of our PG's had a double digit assist game? Marbury hasn't had a double digit assist game all season, & all you ever hear about him is how great he's distributing the ball & how he's getting other teammates involved... yet you put Jamal into that role & he knocks out 29 & 11 for the second time this year.

i keep telling you, he's a playmaker, that's what he does best... so you gotta let him do what he does best & make plays... penetrate into the lane, find open teammates for easy buckets, make big shots when you need him to take over the game... that's what i want to see from my PG.

Marbury's been doing a good job lately so i can't complain about him, but in the longterm, i think developing Jamal in this role would benefit this team alot more... i think Steph can still be effective in the SG role... he's been around enough & played the game long enough to know how to get his w/o having to be the guy walking the ball up the court on every possession.
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1/25/2007  10:01 AM
Posted by MS:

Its hard to ever suppost Jamal when you see him play a game like last night, in control, intelligent and taking over when he needs to. Others were not hitting shots otherwise we would have been in the game......

He should be playing like this every game and a lot has to do with the poor coaching job isiah is doing with him, allowing him free range and the ability to take any shot he wants.

Thats the jamal crawford last night that he should really be, but will never become if isiah allows him to be green light

so then shouldn't you be angrier at Isiah for that instead of ragging on Jamal?
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1/25/2007  10:23 AM
No because as a vetran guard you should realize that you are hurting your team on a nightly basis you can have two players that create out there....

No reason to take off balanced shots and not look for teammates and not run the offense, thats on the player as well
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1/25/2007  10:26 AM
Posted by MS:

No because as a vetran guard you should realize that you are hurting your team on a nightly basis you can have two players that create out there....

No reason to take off balanced shots and not look for teammates and not run the offense, thats on the player as well


if your coach is telling you in practice to take the shot whenever you can & not to worry if you're missing them, then is that the player's fault or the coach's?
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1/25/2007  10:32 AM
i don't think isiah's telling crawford to chuck away. he may encourage him to look for his shot but i don't think any coach tells a guy to "go for his" unless it's mj. he has poor self discipline. that's why he needs a coach on him 24/7. so isiah doesn't know how to coach him to maximize his abilities...BUT the poor self discipline, that's on jamal and he apparently has forgotten anything he learned that last 2 months of last season.

he's got all the tools man...but there's a disconnect with his physical tools and his mental ability to make smart decisions and that's what's holding the kid back from being an all star.
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1/25/2007  10:36 AM
so what had him "getting it" last night? he was clearly playing under control & only started jacking up shots when he got hot... the difference is he was put into the role of being an orchestrator last night right from the beginning & not as the guy being looked to for the offense IMO... i've seen Jamal get hot before in the SG role, but his talents as a playmaker are wasted when he's put into that role... it puts him into that set mindset that he needs to get his points for the team to win... when he plays the point, he gets the mindset that he needs to get his teammates involved for the team to win... that's the difference & i think it's on Isiah to put him into that role.
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1/25/2007  10:37 AM
confirmed, he has the green light
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Posted by TMS:

so what had him "getting it" last night? he was clearly playing under control & only started jacking up shots when he got hot... the difference is he was put into the role of being an orchestrator last night right from the beginning & not as the guy being looked to for the offense IMO... i've seen Jamal get hot before in the SG role, but his talents as a playmaker are wasted when he's put into that role... it puts him into that set mindset that he needs to get his points for the team to win... when he plays the point, he gets the mindset that he needs to get his teammates involved for the team to win... that's the difference & i think it's on Isiah to put him into that role.

but that's also speaks about jamal's basketball instincts. he doesn't recognize what he shold be doing out on the floor and when he should be doing it...which leads to the criticism of him not being a "smart" bball player. it's a delicate balance to master. but one thing we do know is that he gets ALOT of minutes. especially since joining the team. if this team had better guards, then he probably would be on a much shorter leash but we don't.

and it's not just him, it's alot of players around the league that just don't recognize situations. and alot of this has to do with him (and others) not playing structured ball before entering the league.
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