Posted by misterearl:

Islesfan - crzy poses an interesting question, why does the next guy automatically get 5 years to do his job?

maybe because Isiah put us in a 5 year hole, vs. the 3 hole Layden put us in?

Just a thought

fishmike - c'mon doc, you're better than that.

Are you certain the Layden hole was just three years deep?

I would submit the Ewing signing of the 68M 3 year deal was the beginnning of the downfall in 1998(?). Quickly followed by the Allan Houston 100M contract.

This is 2007. You do the math.

Islesfan - Would you root for the Knicks to lose if the suggested "competent" GM, you have yet to name, turned the Knicks into the Atlanta Hawks?

Better question - When do you decide to root for the Knicks to win as the next GM gets out of the gate slowly?

Is Moses is available?

David Blaine?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by TMS:

what would tanking possibly achieve other than getting the Bulls a chance at drafting Greg Oden this spring?

Why focus on the Bulls? Somebody is going to get Oden, and it ain't going to be us.
Who cares if its Chicago? What's the difference? We're not even in the same league
as Chicago for many years to come.

Exactly. We need a competent GM before we can focus on becoming good. The point of not wanting Chicago to turn our pick into a high pick... really, who cares?

i care... i don't want to see Oden killing our Knicks on a regular basis playing in the same conference... if he's coming out this year, let him go to a Western Conference scrub team like the Grizzlies... helping a good team get better is moronic, & honestly i don't get why any Knick fan wouldn't care about that, especially when it's a team that we've all despised over the years... if the Bulls get Oden i'm pretty sure alot of people will be all over the boards ripping Isiah a new one over it, so in actuality, you all care just like i do.

Honestly, LeBron, Wade and Bosh are already in the east. Worrying about Oden coming here too is the least of my worries. What I'm more concerned about is the fact that we stink. We have to get good before we can start worrying about other teams.

Sure, I'd love Oden to go to the Grizzlies... but if he goes to the Bulls, it's just not a huge deal to me. Oden winning championships in Chicago while the Knicks are floundering around .500 won't matter much. I figure it will take 3-5 years to fix Isiah's mess after Isiah's gone, which could be another 3-5 years from now. So, by the time we get good, Oden will be approaching the downside of his career.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 23 2007 10:19 AM]

trust me, i'm concerned about the fact that we stink too... i just don't spend all my waking hours complaining about it (not saying you do)... i want to see this team play some good basketball this season, because really there's absolutely nothing to be gained by losing games like there would be if we had a lottery pick to look forward to... you know i don't have a problem w/tanking if there's no hope left & there's a great talent to look forward to picking like Lebron, etc. that year... i don't hold to those overly idealistic morals of "compete at all costs" because i'm more of a bigger picture type guy... but right now, in our current situation, there really is no bigger picture other than hoping that this team plays better basketball... admit it dude... if you see Oden in a Bulls' uniform next year, you're going to care & it's going to bother you knowing that the Knicks helped them get him by sucking this season.

Posted by crzymdups:

why does the next GM get 5 years when Isiah only got 3?

and how do you know the ceiling of this team is 7th or 8th seed? doesn't it stand to reason that Curry and Lee would be the foundation of any championship team that comes here in the next five years?

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-23-2007 01:18 AM]

I didn't say the next GM gets 5 years. I said the Knicks would be a championship contender (1,2,3 seed) in 5 years. If that were the case, you'd have to assume that you'd be able to start seeing the pieces coming together in year 3, with perhaps the ability to be a 4,5,6 seed and a legitimate chance at the second round of the playoffs.

Do you see that as being a possibility after 3 1/2 years of Isiah? Do you honestly even see that being the case after another year and a half much less competing for championships?

But Isiah said it takes 4 years of playing together just to start "getting it".

i'm trying to think of another GM who's righted the ship within 3 years of his hire after inheriting as bad a situation as Isiah had... that's not saying Isiah's done a good job, cuz i don't think he has, but it's hard for me to expect him to turn Eisley, Shandon, KT, Spoon, Doleac, KVH, Mutombo, McDyess, Sweetney, Vranes & Lampe into a 4 or 5 seed in the East in year 4 of his tenure... maybe that's why i try & cut him a little bit of slack sometimes when the overall majority want him run out of town (can't blame you guys for feeling that way)... in general i would much prefer that Dolan fired Isiah & we had someone else put in place to take over just to get away from all the negativity surrounding Isiah's tenure here, but i've seem enough things out of this current team to think they're not as far away from being a contender in the East as some of you seem to think they are... i think we're just missing 2 or 3 pieces to take us to that level (shotblocker, perimeter shooter, perimeter defender).

[Edited by - TMS on 01-23-2007 10:58 AM]

Posted by TMS:

i'm trying to think of another GM who's righted the ship within 3 years of his hire after inheriting as bad a situation as Isiah had... that's not saying Isiah's done a good job, cuz i don't think he has, but it's hard for me to expect him to turn Eisley, Shandon, KT, Spoon, Doleac, KVH, Mutombo, McDyess, Sweetney, Vranes & Lampe into a 4 or 5 seed in the East in year 4 of his tenure... maybe that's why i try & cut him a little bit of slack sometimes when the overall majority want him run out of town (can't blame you guys for feeling that way)... in general i would much prefer that Dolan fired Isiah & we had someone else put in place to take over just to get away from all the negativity surrounding Isiah's tenure here, but i've seem enough things out of this current team to think they're not as far away from being a contender in the East as some of you seem to think they are... i think we're just missing 2 or 3 pieces to take us to that level (shotblocker, perimeter shooter, perimeter defender).

[Edited by - TMS on 01-23-2007 10:58 AM]

I think it'll be much easier for a GM to walk into this situation and build with Curry Lee and Frye as opposed to trying to build with Shandon, Eisley and the rest of Laydens pathetic group. I usually support Isiah, but I can understand some people wanting to move on past Isiah just to get a different philosophy in terms of objectively looking at the roster. Right now, I just can't see Isiah moving Craw, Frye, Marb and JJ2 for that matter. He seems to be married to those guys. (its already bitten us in the butt because he didn't take Marcus Williams because of Marbury). Not to say that he should be actively shopping them, but if the right deal comes up to fill a void (SF) I would hope isiah wouldn't have any qualms about parting with Craw. A new GM, means not ties to any individual.

Very biased poll. Badly constructed unless you are trying to rig the result.

Posted by kam77:

Very biased poll. Badly constructed unless you are trying to rig the result.

There's always one guy every time one of these polls is made who doesn't like the choices. You don't see the point? Isles never indicated that this is an accurate portrayal of our current situation, but just asked how you would feel in this hypothetical one.

Posted by misterearl:

Solace - the Islesfan implication, and assumption, is that with Isiah Thomas the Knicks are doomed for the next 10 years to compete for the 7th or 8th seed... at best.

C'mon.

Next ten years?

That's 2017 dude. 2017!

It may be accurate, it may not. I wouldn't say we're screwed for 10 years. I was thinking more like 7 or 8. I think 10 is a bit harsh. The point still stands: if you had a GM who you knew would have you mediocre for many years, would you prefer to go a different route or not? Not a difficult question.