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Marv
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1/23/2007  7:53 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

eddy on saturday = 1 rebound
eddy on monday = 3 rebounds

that's a 300% improvement.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-22-2007 11:55 PM]
thats priceless.. I feel guilty for hating now

the ball's been avoiding him. it doesn't want to be eaten.
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1/23/2007  8:20 AM
Posted by Travla:

This team will take 2 or 3 years to gell (as currntly constructed). This was a terrible loss but I blame it on over confidence by the Knick players and Miami paying them back for the earlier loss. The Heat decided that they're not going be a doormat, especially to the Knicks. I could never root for the Knicks to lose.

Agreed. We all feel bad because the team did not show up last night, but the team has looked dominating in other games and has been competitive in just about every game. Even in the game last night, as bad as we started (which was probably the worse start I have ever seen in my life), we still could have won that game if not for a few superlong 3s by Jason Williams that kind of deflated our momentum. I am not saying IT should stay, but I still say we should make the evaluation at the end of the season.
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1/23/2007  8:29 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

eddy on saturday = 1 rebound
eddy on monday = 3 rebounds

that's a 300% improvement.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-22-2007 11:55 PM]
thats priceless.. I feel guilty for hating now

the ball's been avoiding him. it doesn't want to be eaten.

LOL

DJ makes a good point. A 300% improvement is pretty impressive. Marv makes a better point.
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1/23/2007  8:36 AM
you know what, i kind of expected us to lose. let's face it, we are an inconsistent team. we aren't that good. we are hovering around mediocre. however, we are competing in most games and showing improvement. that is what i want. after the mess i saw and we all witness last season, at least there is some kind of effort most nights. even last night, with a start like that, last season, we would have been blown out by 60 points. but they made a valiant effort in the 3rd and 4th quarter to come back. listen, this team is not going to be great over night or even this season. i accept that. but we do give most teams problems and we aren't a doormat team like last year. i would be suprised after this embarassment that the knicks would show no effort in the phoenix game and get blown out.
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1/23/2007  8:56 AM
Miami- for whatever reason- was juiced last night.

But- why is it that when teams play us, they have so much confidence that they have unconscious games against us.

I mean- some of those three's late by Jayson Williams- absurd.

I've watched the heat this season- and they have stunk it up.

All the sudden, we roll into town, and its lights out, unconscious play from the heat.

Granted- our perimeter d has given opposing players room- but still- its like its bad karma or something- a dark cloud over this team that inspires opponents.
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1/23/2007  9:21 AM
SHouldn't we be instead doing the "Frye for Kapono" trade rants instead.

Whenever we get torched by a 3rd stringer we talk about how we need him.

Imagine what a rush it is for some of these guys who are trying earn a decent contract light up a team just flowing with cash!
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1/23/2007  9:42 AM
Posted by franco12:

Miami- for whatever reason- was juiced last night.

That ass-whoopin' we gave them in their house earlier might've been one reason.

-- the preceding post was brought to you by the letter K and the number 22.
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1/23/2007  9:57 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I don't want them to tank. I just want Isiah gone and if that means losing in order to convince Dolan he's not the man for the job, then so be it. I don't trust Isiah as a GM and he hasn't been too impressive as coach either, and you know me TMS. I'm never a "Fire the coach now!" type of guy. I just want a team to be built and I don't think Isiah is capable of doing that.

in general i'm with you, i don't think Isiah is capable of building a championship calibre squad, but the reality is that Dolan is infatuated w/him & believes in him, & regardless of the bad job he's done w/trades & FA signings, he at least has proven to be a good drafter & developer of some of the young guys... his coaching this season hasn't been great, but it hasn't been all that horribe either imo... normally i'd be right there with you hoping we lose (like i wanted them to do when Lebron, Melo & Bosh were coming out in the draft that year), but the other reality is that we don't have that lottery pick to fall back on anymore, so all i can do is hope for the best that this team can somehow make the playoffs & prevent the Bulls from getting our lottery pick... it's not that i'm settling for mediocrity... you know i want a championship just as bad as you do, but i think it's still going to take a few years regardless if Isiah's here or not... i just try not to overreact when i see this team get beaten by an inferior team, because there will be times (like the other night in Indiana) when this Knicks team beats a better team than they are to balance things out a little... if they bounce back vs. the Suns & compete hard, maybe even steal a W, would your hopes for this squad be as low as they are now?
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1/23/2007  10:08 AM
all it takes is one bad quarter for the crying to start

sheesh, I'm running low on Pampers
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1/23/2007  10:22 AM
Posted by misterearl:

all it takes is one bad quarter for the crying to start

sheesh, I'm running low on Pampers

mistershorttermmemory, you're funny.
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1/23/2007  10:36 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Solace said it best: "It's just a whole bunch of players mushed together."

Btw, thanks for the note. I do really feel that. It seems like Isiah said, "We need to get athletic. We need to get young." He thought those two things, forgot every aspect of winning basketball, things which often counteract each other and require a balance. Just said, "Oh, this guy is good, this guy is good, this guy is good, ... well it works on Playstation" and made a team. Every time he's added someone, he added someone else that made that player redundant. Meanwhile, we've had glaring holes. This team is terribly unbalanced. I think if we had *some* semblance of balance to this roster, we're an above .500 team. Guys who know they should be playing aren't getting minutes. Guys are playing out of position. Guys who are coach favorites are getting more minutes. This is bad GMing and, to a lesser extent, some form of bad coaching. Isiah needs to go, because you really can't build a team in this manner and think it will succeed.

An analogy would be like a team that's made to build a video game. Normally you have a combination of designers, programmers, testers, artists, etc... Isiah-style would be like building a team where you brought in all artists. Some really talented artists, but they're still all artists. Now you have some awesome kick-ass art for your game, but of course nobody designed or programmed anything, so there is no game... Welcome to Isiah-land.
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1/23/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Allanfan20:

I don't want them to tank. I just want Isiah gone and if that means losing in order to convince Dolan he's not the man for the job, then so be it. I don't trust Isiah as a GM and he hasn't been too impressive as coach either, and you know me TMS. I'm never a "Fire the coach now!" type of guy. I just want a team to be built and I don't think Isiah is capable of doing that.

in general i'm with you, i don't think Isiah is capable of building a championship calibre squad, but the reality is that Dolan is infatuated w/him & believes in him, & regardless of the bad job he's done w/trades & FA signings, he at least has proven to be a good drafter & developer of some of the young guys... his coaching this season hasn't been great, but it hasn't been all that horribe either imo... normally i'd be right there with you hoping we lose (like i wanted them to do when Lebron, Melo & Bosh were coming out in the draft that year), but the other reality is that we don't have that lottery pick to fall back on anymore, so all i can do is hope for the best that this team can somehow make the playoffs & prevent the Bulls from getting our lottery pick... it's not that i'm settling for mediocrity... you know i want a championship just as bad as you do, but i think it's still going to take a few years regardless if Isiah's here or not... i just try not to overreact when i see this team get beaten by an inferior team, because there will be times (like the other night in Indiana) when this Knicks team beats a better team than they are to balance things out a little... if they bounce back vs. the Suns & compete hard, maybe even steal a W, would your hopes for this squad be as low as they are now?

TMS, in all of my dead honesty, I wouldn't be so shocked to see an upset over the Suns, but my hopes would be just as low, b/c they've proven to me that they'll follow it up, maybe with another victory, but then a series a really bad losses. We have the talent to stay with real good teams. I don't doubt that.

However, the main reason I'm so down on this team, is 1) We really don't know what we're getting from our players, besides Lee, Q and Marbury before the injuries. And Q is injured, and Marbury tends to be a headcase, so that makes things worse. We don't know if Jamal is gonna decide to be a star or an idiot, and we don't know if Eddie is going to give an effort on both ends.

And the second reason I'm so down on this team is because in my eyes, it's a collection of either damaged goods, reclamation projects, and glorified role players and none of it really mixes together well.

And finally, I'm more so down on Isiah then I'm down on the team. I've gone on record by saying I like the players on the team. I think they have good qualities. They just don't go together well. However, I think as the GM, Isiah just doesn't have a real vision or grasp on how to build an NBA franchise. He sees guys with potential that are easy to get, makes it harder on himself by adding picks to get these players, and doesn't even consider why it's easy to get some of these players. And then he sees other guys like Jefferies, and doesn't even think twice about going after him. He sees JJ as an Indiana guy, did well for Indiana, then had a good playoffs last year (Just like Jerome did the year before, which I still say is overrated as hell). Yet, Isiah doesn't even look at his own team, let alone around the league. He doesn't realize that Balkman can be just as good a defender and is a better rebounder. He doesn't look around the league and use any creativity.

And this is why I'm convinced that Isiah just needs to go now. If the team loses, the fine, it will be good for the long run.
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1/23/2007  12:36 PM
overall i agree that Isiah probably needs to go for this franchise to progress further towards being a championship contender in the coming years... i just don't see it happening at this point, so i try not to bother complaining about him being here & instead focus on what i think Isiah himself can do to improve this franchise going forward.

check out my ideas on trading Channing to fill some of our holes & tell me what you think... i know you hate fantasy trade threads, but i tried to keep the ideas as realistic & doable as i possibly could.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=19622
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1/23/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I'm sorry, but I don't care if I stand alone on this, and I'm coming out as the first one to say it. I'm officially rooting for the Knicks to lose now. I really just can't take Isiah Thomas anymore, and I think that the closer to his departure we get, the better. What we see pretending to be the "New York Knicks" is not an assembled basketball team. Solace said it best: "It's just a whole bunch of players mushed together."

To add to this, I think the best thing that can happen is that we be as far from the playoffs as possible, b/c I just can't see us getting an above .500 record with this crap basketball the team has been playing, and I would be terrified to see it become justified by an 8th seed playoff birth.

And as we all know, a playoff birth means Isiah staying with the Knicks, and if Isiah stays with the Knicks, it means he does further damage, and I just don't think the Knicks can afford it, and neither can we (Oh wait, I'm a hater so it's YOU GUYS!) as fans.

I still can't tell you how disturbed I am, about this Miami loss. Shows a lot about our character, IMO. Shades of last season.

WANNA GET AWAY

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/23/2007  1:48 PM
Solace said it best: "It's just a whole bunch of players mushed together."

WHAT!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Solace?????????? Solace said it best????????? I've been ranting and raving and repeating myself for 7 years on MSG and UltimateKnicks and Allanfan says Solace said it best? Solace? Every post I have written for 7 years has said the same gosh dam-n thing over and over again and somehow Allanfan says Solace says it best. I could see maybe giving a shout out to TMS or Fishmike or NYK4Eva or even Bobo. But Solace????????/ F'in Solace??????? You cut me real deep Allanfan, real deep. I guess since you guys are hanging out together now you can give each other credit for what I say. This is a travesty and an outrage. I need to rethink how I spend my time from now on.

Not that I need credit for anything.
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1/23/2007  1:51 PM
u can always join me on the Alba thread & get some props that way.
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1/23/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

eddy on saturday = 1 rebound
eddy on monday = 3 rebounds

that's a 300% improvement.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-22-2007 11:55 PM]


I am laughing so hard.. This is funny
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1/23/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Solace said it best: "It's just a whole bunch of players mushed together."

WHAT!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Solace?????????? Solace said it best????????? I've been ranting and raving and repeating myself for 7 years on MSG and UltimateKnicks and Allanfan says Solace said it best? Solace? Every post I have written for 7 years has said the same gosh dam-n thing over and over again and somehow Allanfan says Solace says it best. I could see maybe giving a shout out to TMS or Fishmike or NYK4Eva or even Bobo. But Solace????????/ F'in Solace??????? You cut me real deep Allanfan, real deep. I guess since you guys are hanging out together now you can give each other credit for what I say. This is a travesty and an outrage. I need to rethink how I spend my time from now on.

Not that I need credit for anything.

You shoulda heard Allanfan at the Nets game Bip, he was planning out this whole thread and was saying how he was going to give Solace credit and not you, just for spite, of course.
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1/23/2007  2:17 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Solace said it best: "It's just a whole bunch of players mushed together."

WHAT!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Solace?????????? Solace said it best????????? I've been ranting and raving and repeating myself for 7 years on MSG and UltimateKnicks and Allanfan says Solace said it best? Solace? Every post I have written for 7 years has said the same gosh dam-n thing over and over again and somehow Allanfan says Solace says it best. I could see maybe giving a shout out to TMS or Fishmike or NYK4Eva or even Bobo. But Solace????????/ F'in Solace??????? You cut me real deep Allanfan, real deep. I guess since you guys are hanging out together now you can give each other credit for what I say. This is a travesty and an outrage. I need to rethink how I spend my time from now on.

Not that I need credit for anything.

Speaking of Bobo, did you know that he (you) is (are) posting on bball's Nets board? I visit once in a while just to say hi and I peeked at a few threads, and sure enough, there's Bobo (Bippity).

Anyway, you're clearly jealous because I correctly predicted the cat dissing you before your Bippity event. Sorry, man.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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