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Just curious--Who would you rather have?
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1/21/2007  8:51 PM
I think Boozer is a bit overrated and I want to see how good Lee can be at PF first. I will stick with Eddy on the hope that he becomes serious enough about BB to show up in shape, lose the extra 30+ he dragging around and becoming the star we traded so much to get.
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1/21/2007  8:56 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I think Boozer is a bit overrated and I want to see how good Lee can be at PF first. I will stick with Eddy on the hope that he becomes serious enough about BB to show up in shape, lose the extra 30+ he dragging around and becoming the star we traded so much to get.


LOL so much. A starting ccenter averging 19.1-7.3-58%fg for Ty Thomas aka stromile swift and Mike Sweets. Wow we got ripped off, lol
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  9:01 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:

I think Boozer is a bit overrated and I want to see how good Lee can be at PF first. I will stick with Eddy on the hope that he becomes serious enough about BB to show up in shape, lose the extra 30+ he dragging around and becoming the star we traded so much to get.



LOL so much. A starting ccenter averging 19.1-7.3-58%fg for Ty Thomas aka stromile swift and Mike Sweets. Wow we got ripped off, lol

You always say Tyrus Thomas. You do realize we didn't have to draft him, right? We could have drafted anyone and/or traded the pick. We gave up 4 picks (2 lottery most likely) for Curry and will get a mid/late 1st round pick back. I don't think you can find many (if any) other players that were traded for 4 draft picks with 2 likely being lottery picks.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-21-2007 9:01 PM]
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1/21/2007  9:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:

I think Boozer is a bit overrated and I want to see how good Lee can be at PF first. I will stick with Eddy on the hope that he becomes serious enough about BB to show up in shape, lose the extra 30+ he dragging around and becoming the star we traded so much to get.



LOL so much. A starting ccenter averging 19.1-7.3-58%fg for Ty Thomas aka stromile swift and Mike Sweets. Wow we got ripped off, lol

You always say Tyrus Thomas. You do realize we didn't have to draft him, right? We could have drafted anyone and/or traded the pick. We gave up 4 picks (2 lottery most likely) for Curry and will get a mid/late 1st round pick back. I don't think you can find many (if any) other players that were traded for 4 draft picks with 2 likely being lottery picks.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-21-2007 9:01 PM]

2nd round picks are so cheap. Spin a little more. We could buy 2 2nd round picks for 500k. We gave up a 2006 #1 and an option to swap in 2007. If it wasnt for LBs agenda to lose it never would have been that low. Us winning 40 games this year will prove that. That swap option may or may not turn out to be significant its very doubtful. We are 1.5 games out of the playoffs right now. I'm not going along with your worst case scenario is the only way to proceed. Yes they got Ty Thomas. The 2006 draft is one of the weakest Ive seen in 20 years. We could have ended up with somebody worse even. But I say Ty Thomas because we traded with Chicago and thats who they ended up with so thats all that matters. You want to say LA or foye or Marcus William or whoever. go for it. Its still way cheap for an all star caliber starting center. Thats why 6 out of 6 nba execs said before the draft in the NY times they would take Curry over anyone in the 2006 draft
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  9:17 PM
By the way Kmart was in a sign and trade for 3 first round picks. Nazr was traded for 2 first round picks. Ill stick with Curry for one #1 pick and an option to swap.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  9:20 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

By the way Kmart was in a sign and trade for 3 first round picks. Nazr was traded for 2 first round picks. Ill stick with Curry for one #1 pick and an option to swap.
thats amazing! I didn't realize Kmart was traded for 3 first round picks. Damn! Kiki is a tool!! And Nazr too? Wow.
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1/21/2007  9:32 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

By the way Kmart was in a sign and trade for 3 first round picks. Nazr was traded for 2 first round picks.

How many were lottery picks?
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1/21/2007  9:33 PM
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Posted by Bonn1997:
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I'm pretty sure Boozer's official pre-draft measurement was 6'10" and it's just listed wrong on nba.com. As for being pushed around, have you seen how strong he is? No one other than Shaq is gonna push him around. The shot-blocking is poor but it's about equal to Curry's. So, it shouldn't really factor in.

It amazes me at how Knick fans insist on acquiring 6-9, 6-10 centers, or if they are 6-11 or 7 foot, they're skinny one. Examples: Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby. Or how about old broken down ones like Mutombo or J J? I bet Booz can't push Ben Wallace, KG or Duncan around either, just to name a few. I'd like to see him push Curry around. Booz doesn't belong in the middle. List him as a strong power foreward, but he's certainly no center.
Curry doesn't belong in the middle and he's no center either. Your argument doesn't affect the Boozer/Curry debate.

Lol do you throw darts at a picture of Curry?
To be fair, he does belong in the middle on offense. He just doesn't belong on the court on defense.

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1/21/2007  10:53 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

By the way Kmart was in a sign and trade for 3 first round picks. Nazr was traded for 2 first round picks.

How many were lottery picks?

You cant trade a lottery pick before the season because you dont know who will be in the lottery.
The 3 first round picks traded for Kmart were:
1)Philadelphia’s first round pick in 2005, protected 1-8 or 2006, protected 1-5 or 2007, unprotected
2)Denver’s first round pick in 2006, protected 1-5, 2007, protected 1-2, 2008, unprotected.
3)Clippers 2005, protected 1-14 or 2006, unprotected
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  7:19 AM
So they all had strong lottery protection. That's what I suspected.
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1/22/2007  8:56 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

So they all had strong lottery protection. That's what I suspected.

LOL Did you read them or not?

1)Philadelphia’s first round pick in 2005, protected 1-8 or 2006, protected 1-5 or 2007, unprotected
2)Denver’s first round pick in 2006, protected 1-5, 2007, protected 1-2, 2008, unprotected.
3)Clippers 2005, protected 1-14 or 2006, unprotected

1-8, 1-5 and 1-2 isnt full lottery protection. The lottery is 14 picks deep and if they dont get it one year they get it unprotected the next year. Only the Clips pick in 2005 was full lottery protected. Those are 3 first round picks just for a sign and trade of Kmart. We gave up one first round pick in one of the weakest drafts in history and an option to swap picks.

Curry was our lottery pick last year. Thats as simple as it gets.

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 01-22-2007 08:59 AM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

By the way Kmart was in a sign and trade for 3 first round picks. Nazr was traded for 2 first round picks. Ill stick with Curry for one #1 pick and an option to swap.

I like how generalizations can be used to obscure the truth. You do realize that one high lottery pick is worth MANY lower first round picks, right? Nazr wound up being, what... a #30 and a #29 pick? That's definitely the same as a #2 pick and another probably lottery pick for a pick likely around #20.
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1/22/2007  10:42 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

By the way Kmart was in a sign and trade for 3 first round picks. Nazr was traded for 2 first round picks. Ill stick with Curry for one #1 pick and an option to swap.

I like how generalizations can be used to obscure the truth. You do realize that one high lottery pick is worth MANY lower first round picks, right? Nazr wound up being, what... a #30 and a #29 pick? That's definitely the same as a #2 pick and another probably lottery pick for a pick likely around #20.
Exactly. I don't think a team ever gave up as much value in picks as we gave up to get Eddy.

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I was thinking about this this morning. I may have been too hasty. While a center is hugely valuable, Boozer definitely does more. He's scoring at a better pace (though I expect that to change within a season or two), and his rebounding is monsterous. He also passes well, gets some steals here and there. He's a much more complete player than Eddy.

But... he is a PF, and Eddy is a center. But I'd sure as hell trade Curry and Frye for Okur and Boozer right now. I don't know if I would do Curry for Boozer straight-up, even though Boozer is clearly a better player.

On a side note, it's tough for me to compliment Boozer. I think he's an ass, and has always been overrated. However, the Jazz are winning and it's tough to argue it now, even though I think AK47 is a huge part of why the Jazz are winning, even if many don't realize it. Boozer is a huge piece too.
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1/23/2007  11:14 AM
Yeah Boozer does everything better than Curry right now. I don't think *either* of them is a center on defense and I see that as a wash.
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1/23/2007  11:35 AM
why are we comparing a PF to a C?
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1/23/2007  1:07 PM
Because Boozer can play the C position at least as well as Curry if we needed him to
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1/23/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by Solace:

I was thinking about this this morning. I may have been too hasty. While a center is hugely valuable, Boozer definitely does more. He's scoring at a better pace (though I expect that to change within a season or two), and his rebounding is monsterous. He also passes well, gets some steals here and there. He's a much more complete player than Eddy.

But... he is a PF, and Eddy is a center. But I'd sure as hell trade Curry and Frye for Okur and Boozer right now. I don't know if I would do Curry for Boozer straight-up, even though Boozer is clearly a better player.

On a side note, it's tough for me to compliment Boozer. I think he's an ass, and has always been overrated. However, the Jazz are winning and it's tough to argue it now, even though I think AK47 is a huge part of why the Jazz are winning, even if many don't realize it. Boozer is a huge piece too.

I think a lot of people are voting based on their love for the Knicks and that awful "P" word (potential). I think the results would have been different if I asked if the Knicks would have a better record now if Boozer had been starting than if Curry had for the Knicks.
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1/23/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Because Boozer can play the C position at least as well as Curry if we needed him to

you think Boozer could dominate in the low post just like Curry does in games when he's on while lacking the size advantage that Curry normally has on a regular basis? i disagree w/that one... he might put up equal or better ppg totals, but that won't be points he's getting exclusively in the low post.
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1/23/2007  1:59 PM
Boozer's tough in the post and would still draw plenty of double teams. Maybe he'd draw 50% as many as Curry and pass five times better than Curry out of the doubles. I'd take that.
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