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1/21/2007  12:58 PM
Personally- I'm not convince that having Curry & Pau up front would necessarily work- Pau has a rap as being soft- we know curry is soft- don't know that a team can win with 2 softies up front at what are supposed to be positions of physical intimidation.

I don't know man. Pau is scoring 19.3 a game, averaging only 2.5 T.O.'s, plays 30 minutes, has just as many rebounds as Curry, is a better FT shooter than Curry 77% vs. 60% has more blocks than Curry at 1.6 a game, is a 33.3% 3-pt. shooter vs. Curry's 0% and is just about as good as a scorer with 57.6% as Curry. I think I'd love to have two softies on the floor. The fact that Pau turns it over less and can block. I suppose between Curry, Pau and Frye, it's just a matter of taking your pick at this point. Let's not forget also that Pau is also a clutch shooter, the guy you probably want to have the ball in his hands for the last shot. Right there is the difference between five more wins vs. five more loses, that we already have. Curry has the potential of being very tough in the middle, so I'd love to take that chance. Curry with Pau and Lee flanked at his side, with Q hitting the threes and someone like marbury hitting the open guys, could be one of the best in the league. I have no doubt.

I know I criticized marbury and wanted him gone, but I got to admit, he's matured this year. All of the sudden, after Zeke took over as coach, he's matured in attitude. That is a key thing to this season so far.
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1/21/2007  1:00 PM
For Lee? Deal is off!!!

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by BigC:

The Grizzles do not need Jamal or Jeffries. They have a future point and they have Miller, Gay and Warrick at the sf and sg.

Since Paul is the one calling the shots I doubt he has in mind coming to this team.

I think Pau would love to come to a team with a real center actually. Either that or go play with some of his buddies from his own country. But I agree with you the trades being offered on this board wont get him. He is a young 7 footer in his prime. Think what was traded for Iverson. That was chump change. Think about 3 #1's for Kmart. Pau will take a lot to bring him here. Frye plus Lee plus Jeff or Balk plus a #1 in all likelihood

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1/21/2007  1:05 PM
i think the bulls should offer nocioni, ty thomas, duhon, pf brown and a 2007 #1 (swap or not).

this gives them hinrich, ben, deng, gasol, and ben.

it leaves them somewhat thin on the bench so maybe they take warrick, cardinal or someone like that in return as well.

but gasol is only 26 so that's still a good young team. but again, without a franchise stud, the best you can do is build a team on defense and hope to recreate the 2004 pistons. in fact, lb should coach that team too.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-21-2007 1:06 PM]
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Posted by BigC:

The Grizzles do not need Jamal or Jeffries. They have a future point and they have Miller, Gay and Warrick at the sf and sg.

Since Paul is the one calling the shots I doubt he has in mind coming to this team.

I think Frye can play center (in fact he might be a better center than PF), so you add him with Gay at SF and Warrick at PF, and you have a pretty solid frontcourt. They have Miller, but Crawford would give them a slasher and someone that can play both guard spots. Maybe we throw in Nate and 2 1st round picks (with the second one being lottery protected), but I think the offer is at least competitive. I also agree with SugarRayRichardson that Gasol would not mind coming here. This team is showing that it has a future and he would get to play next to a true center. I would not give up Lee AND Frye for Gasol unless Memphis is going to take back some of our bad contracts (like Jeffries and JJ1), but anything less than giving up Lee and Frye would be a good trade for us IMO.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

I can't see why the Bulls would give up 2 of Deng, Nocini and Gordon. Gasol is a nice player but he's not worth that package.

Even pax said every time he talks to any team about a post big man the discussion only STARTS at 2 of what he considers his 4 (Deng, Noc, Heinrich, Gorden). Deng and Noc both are really sf so giving up one is not a big deal. Thomas is probably a sf as well although he has little offensive game at all. Good bigs are very rare. Most teams that dont have one are desparate to get one. Many teams that have one would like another!
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  1:52 PM
Curry and James for Gasol...
You know I gonna spin wit it
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1/21/2007  1:53 PM
I think this is the best deal. Because Rose comes off the cap after next year and you get a good young player in Frye. I could see them biting on this trade.
Posted by TheGame:

I think an offer of Frye, Crawford, Rose, a 1st round pick, and $3 mill cash would be a solid offer. It would be far from a lock but I think the Grizzlies would at least consider it. They get to keep Eddie Jones' expiring contract, so they should not be too far over the salary cap next year anyway. They get a good young PF/C that can score in Frye, and a young combo guard in Crawford, plus they get a draft pick. I would even throw in another LOTTERY PROTECTED first round pick if that got the deal done. With Gasol and Curry, we would have the best frontcourt in the league. You give Nate away to a team with capspace for a 1st round pick, and we can still add players through the draft and use of the MLE.

[Edited by - TheGame on 01-21-2007 12:27 PM]

But 2 softies??? Come on. If you put two players as skilled as Curry and Gasol in the paint, along with some long range shooters, who can stop that?
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1/21/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Curry and James for Gasol...

Jerry west is a fan of currys and wanted him a couple of years ago but I'd rather have Curry and Pao instead of one or the other
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/21/2007  1:55 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Curry and James for Gasol...
Yea trade 24 yr old Curry when he is finally playing like he is supposed to
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1/21/2007  2:38 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Curry and James for Gasol...
Yea trade 24 yr old Curry when he is finally playing like he is supposed to

Pao is two years older, plays defense, can pass out of the post, rebounds...an all around better player. If he hadn't hurt his wrist yesterday, I would have no problem giving up Curry for Pao, if they accept James' contract also... come on, its a no-brainer. You can't overvalue Curry just because he is on the Knicks.
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1/21/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Curry and James for Gasol...

Jerry west is a fan of currys and wanted him a couple of years ago but I'd rather have Curry and Pao instead of one or the other

I can't imagine West making a deal without getting a young big man in return... I don't think you can have both.
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1/21/2007  2:53 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Curry and James for Gasol...
Yea trade 24 yr old Curry when he is finally playing like he is supposed to

Pao is two years older, plays defense, can pass out of the post, rebounds...an all around better player. If he hadn't hurt his wrist yesterday, I would have no problem giving up Curry for Pao, if they accept James' contract also... come on, its a no-brainer. You can't overvalue Curry just because he is on the Knicks.

I am not overvaluing Curry, but Pau is not as dominant as Curry. He does not require the double and triple teaming Curry gets. Only thing he has over Curry is a perimeter game and 1bpg. Curry might not be good as Pau now, but by next year he will be.
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1/21/2007  3:12 PM
It's not that Curry is not as Gasol now, simply Gasol is WAY better than Curry. Forget about the stats (which tell that Gasol is better offensively and defensively). Gasol knows how to pass the ball and he is a WAY more intelligent player than Curry. He really understand the game much better and by the way, he ALWAYS he gets doubled teamed if you see Memphis games.
Curry is awesome around the basket and I'm very happy the way he is improving, but right know Gasol does things Curry has never done and will probably never do like passing the ball, shoot from the outside or block shots. They both suck and rebounding and their defense is below average, but Gasol is in a different league from Curry in my opinion. You are talking about WC's MVP and an All-Star, I dont think he is much worse than Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal for example (actually he has outplayed both of them a lot of times).
That being said, I would love to have both on the Knicks and I'm sure Gasol would love to play in New York as he have always handled the pressured very well.
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1/21/2007  3:18 PM
i think pau ends up in chicago, if he's traded.
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1/21/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I can't see why the Bulls would give up 2 of Deng, Nocini and Gordon. Gasol is a nice player but he's not worth that package.

yeah he is, for them. They have no big men who can score, nobody. Pau is a franchise type player.
These ar ehis numbers last year
20 ppg 9 rpg 4.6 apg 2 bpg shooting 50% from the field.

thats pretty remarkable. a team like Chicago would give up alot for that, it would make them contenders for a good while with some tweaking.

Oh yeah, Pau is better than Curry, no question about that. Much more polished game overall. But Curry has the potential to be much more dominating.
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1/21/2007  3:41 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

It's not that Curry is not as Gasol now, simply Gasol is WAY better than Curry. Forget about the stats (which tell that Gasol is better offensively and defensively). Gasol knows how to pass the ball and he is a WAY more intelligent player than Curry. He really understand the game much better and by the way, he ALWAYS he gets doubled teamed if you see Memphis games.
Curry is awesome around the basket and I'm very happy the way he is improving, but right know Gasol does things Curry has never done and will probably never do like passing the ball, shoot from the outside or block shots. They both suck and rebounding and their defense is below average, but Gasol is in a different league from Curry in my opinion. You are talking about WC's MVP and an All-Star, I dont think he is much worse than Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal for example (actually he has outplayed both of them a lot of times).
That being said, I would love to have both on the Knicks and I'm sure Gasol would love to play in New York as he have always handled the pressured very well.

Gasol has a better overall game than Curry, but he does not command as much attention as Curry and I think that Curry, assuming he continues to work on his game, will be a more dominant offensive force than Gasol and will learn to pass better. I would not trade Curry for Gasol and if we expect to be a title contender, we will need both.

Chicago should jump on this trade. Without a scoring big man, they are not going to beat any elite team in a 7 game playoff series.

[Edited by - TheGame on 01-21-2007 3:42 PM]
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1/21/2007  6:56 PM
If Chicago wants gasol they can easily have him.

I hate paxson.
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1/21/2007  6:59 PM
If Chicago wants gasol they can easily have him.

I hate paxson.
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1/21/2007  7:04 PM
Your a bulls fan?

Posted by djsunyc:

i think the bulls should offer nocioni, ty thomas, duhon, pf brown and a 2007 #1 (swap or not).

this gives them hinrich, ben, deng, gasol, and ben.

it leaves them somewhat thin on the bench so maybe they take warrick, cardinal or someone like that in return as well.

but gasol is only 26 so that's still a good young team. but again, without a franchise stud, the best you can do is build a team on defense and hope to recreate the 2004 pistons. in fact, lb should coach that team too.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-21-2007 1:06 PM]

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1/21/2007  7:08 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

If Chicago wants gasol they can easily have him.

I hate paxson.

Can't stand any of those sob's in stinky onion.
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