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kevlofton
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1/21/2007  1:19 AM
Posted by Rich:

I've said it repeatedly, whether he starts or not (and he should), he has to play > 30 minute/game, not 20 like he did v. the Nets.

If Lee starts, where does the Bench production come from. No matter how good the Team is we still need production off the Bench. Right now all we have is Craw. can you image how much the second unit would score if we had to bring JJ off the Bench?

[Edited by - kevlofton on 01-21-2007 01:20 AM]
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1/21/2007  1:48 AM
There was an article on the Sporting News, saying that the top candidates for 6th man of the year are Barbosa and Ben Gordon. Funnily enough, David Lee wasn't even mentioned among the candidates!

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=169244
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1/21/2007  1:51 AM
Posted by kevlofton:
Posted by Rich:

I've said it repeatedly, whether he starts or not (and he should), he has to play > 30 minute/game, not 20 like he did v. the Nets.

If Lee starts, where does the Bench production come from. No matter how good the Team is we still need production off the Bench. Right now all we have is Craw. can you image how much the second unit would score if we had to bring JJ off the Bench?

[Edited by - kevlofton on 01-21-2007 01:20 AM]



That's why YOu bring Frye and JJ2 off the bench. Cato/James, Frye, Jared, Balkman/Rose, Nate could be a bench that out scores the other teams bench by playing D.

But what usually happens now is Frye or Curry gets in the others way for most of the game and who ever Jared is guard still get's 20-30 points. On top of that D Lee and Jamal come off the bench and don't produce as much as they do asstarters because they have to find the flow of the game. And the other bench also get's their points. It's a greatgame plan, I don't see how we arent a .500 team yet.

[Edited by - anji on 01-21-2007 01:52 AM]
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1/21/2007  4:12 AM
You guys are way crazy with this Lee stuff. I love the guy, but best player? Give me a break. Who here would pick Lee start off a new team with, instead of another knick? He's not the best player and you all need to stop saying that. he brings the same things to ther table that Nazr Mohammed brought, with almost identical numbers, and I never heard one guy say HE was our best player.

Am I asking too much to ask you guys to stop acting like littel school girls when it comes to David Lee?
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1/21/2007  4:13 AM
Also let me add the Lee let J. ONeal waltz to the basket COMPLETELY unobstructed twice in the closing minutes of the game.I mean he did not even pretend to play d on him.
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1/21/2007  8:34 AM
Posted by Elite:

Lee is the Knicks best player i been sayin that... But Stephon is making a strong case lately

Steph is the best Knick when he plays hard on both ends, which he has for the past 6 weeks. For the season as a whole, I'd give the honor to Lee, though. Steph was really awful in November.
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1/21/2007  10:04 AM
Lee doesn't have nearly the amount of responsibility that Steph has, so the slow start is a function of all the adjustment Steph was trying to make for the sake of the team. I LOVE LEE and I like him playing LOT'S of minutes. I just think that Isiah is trying to create more floor spacing with Frye. CLEARLY Frye spreads the floor more. Someone said something about Frye and Curry getting in each others way and that couldn't be more off base. They fit perfectly offensively. IT'S ON DEFENSE that there's a problem. Since Frye isn't as fundementally sound defensively and not quite the rebounder that Lee is, you notice it more.

I think tho that part of the problem is that we have to get Frye more involved on offense. You can't just have him getting ripped on D and not give him a chance to make his man work harder on D himself by having to guard Frye. Frye can score the ball and we forget about him too much. Isiah needs to get him more involved with some pick and rolls and other such plays. A few more post ups when Curry's on the bench would also help. This way guys wouldn't get a night off on the defensive end when playing Frye. Frye is a better % shooter than Jamal and he should be getting more shots instead of Jamal, in the offense.
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1/21/2007  10:13 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

He's not the best player and you all need to stop saying that.
Agreed. He is an excellent rebounder. He would do well starting next to Curry but come on guys, best player on the Knicks?
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1/21/2007  10:29 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Killa4luv:

He's not the best player and you all need to stop saying that.
Agreed. He is an excellent rebounder. He would do well starting next to Curry but come on guys, best player on the Knicks?

there is a difference between a team MVP and best individual skill player--although the more I watch D-Lee-the more I am fascinated by his potential. He's not just an Oakley type player--he can pass he can score in a variety of ways etc...Of course he doesnt have the skill-sets to start an offense---but he can shoot with either hand he'sgot a nice touch from the FL line which means he will be able to hit the medium range jumpshot---
he can take the ball 7-8 feet from the basket and its hard to stop him
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1/21/2007  10:30 AM
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Posted by holfresh:
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Lee had a really good game tonight...I must say his defense is also improved...

I think it was this guy.............


Why Isiah kind of things the same way of Lee is beyond me.Im willing to be bet that what ever team Lee is on in practice usually wins, that's the kind of player Lee is.

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Wasn't you saying David Lee shouldn't start in that other thread??? Saying Frye is better because of his jump shot??? I thought it was you.

[Edited by - anji on 01-20-2007 10:58 PM]

That's what you were refering to...Yeah I am that guy...Does every time DLee put up good numbers you going to show up with this...So where were you last game...DLee is very good and helps the team coming off the bench..What does it matter if he gets the same minutes no matter what...If it helps Curry that a PF is in there to strectch the defense why are you against that?..Are you not a Knick fan or just a David Lee fan....
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1/21/2007  10:31 AM
david lee can be the new age shawn marion. he's already there, if not better in terms of rebounding. and he's not THAT far away in assists, steals, and possibly weak side blocks. but he has a ways to go on his jumper and his man-to-man defense.
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1/21/2007  10:32 AM
best player on the team: marbury
most important player on the team: curry
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1/21/2007  10:32 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

You guys are way crazy with this Lee stuff. I love the guy, but best player? Give me a break. Who here would pick Lee start off a new team with, instead of another knick? He's not the best player and you all need to stop saying that. he brings the same things to ther table that Nazr Mohammed brought, with almost identical numbers, and I never heard one guy say HE was our best player.

Am I asking too much to ask you guys to stop acting like littel school girls when it comes to David Lee?

I agree. Lee is not the best player on the Knicks. He is probably the third or fourth best player. I would easily rank Steph ahead of him. Also, I think Curry and Q are more important to what this team does. Lee would be right before Frye and Crawford. He is a solid player and I don't disagree that he could and probably should start, but IT thinks Lee is too important to his second unit. I don't necessarily agree but I understand the logic and also recognize that Frye's jumpshot opens some space for Curry. If I were the coach, I would start Marbury, Q, Jeffries, Lee, and Curry. I would bring in Frye to backup Curry and Lee and play Jeffries only 24 minutes and have Balkman play 24 minutes. I would let Crawford backup Marbury and Q for about 25-30 minutes a game and give Nate, Rose, and Cato spot duty. JJ1 would never see the court. I think this is our best rotation and I hope IT eventually moves in this direction.

[Edited by - thegame on 01-21-2007 10:34 AM]
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1/21/2007  10:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Killa4luv:

He's not the best player and you all need to stop saying that.
Agreed. He is an excellent rebounder. He would do well starting next to Curry but come on guys, best player on the Knicks?

there is a difference between a team MVP and best individual skill player--although the more I watch D-Lee-the more I am fascinated by his potential. He's not just an Oakley type player--he can pass he can score in a variety of ways etc...Of course he doesnt have the skill-sets to start an offense---but he can shoot with either hand he'sgot a nice touch from the FL line which means he will be able to hit the medium range jumpshot---
he can take the ball 7-8 feet from the basket and its hard to stop him

Even if you want to use a narrow definition of MVP...The Knicks' surge in recent weeks is all Marbs..I don't how you can deny that...
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1/21/2007  10:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

david lee can be the new age shawn marion. he's already there, if not better in terms of rebounding. and he's not THAT far away in assists, steals, and possibly weak side blocks. but he has a ways to go on his jumper and his man-to-man defense.

I disagree. I think David Lee is Marcus Camby without the shot blocking. As a matter of fact it was a similar situation when Marcus Camby was here and Van Gundy brought him off the bench for the longest time. We could have won a lot more games that regular season of '99.
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1/21/2007  10:52 AM
Like I said David Lee is a solid role player not the best player on the Knicks. Any body that is 6'9 and wants to rebound can grab ten rebound on a team with Eddie Curry at the pivot. what else does he do well?? not defend, not shoot, not dribble, and turn over prone. So let's calm down about this guy for a mintue.
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1/21/2007  11:01 AM
Posted by mikesknicks:

Like I said David Lee is a solid role player not the best player on the Knicks. Any body that is 6'9 and wants to rebound can grab ten rebound on a team with Eddie Curry at the pivot. what else does he do well?? not defend, not shoot, not dribble, and turn over prone. So let's calm down about this guy for a mintue.

Come on...Lee is better than that...The faithful here do get carried away but Lee offers a lot more than what you are describing...His contributions are very important..You just can't ignore and effort of 20 pts, 16 boards in any situation...He can start and probably should but I prefer the option of stretching the D at the moment...He is certainly having a better year than Frye...If you look at it in terms of reward like most here do..Yeah Lee should start...If you are looking at it as how it helps the team, Frye should start...Thats said, the Knicks didn't seem to lose much from Curry when Lee was in there because Indy decided to play Curry straight up...I just think that most will double Curry and you need a guy who can knock down the open jumper...I could be wrong...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-21-2007 11:33 AM]
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1/21/2007  12:01 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by holfresh:


Lee had a really good game tonight...I must say his defense is also improved...

I think it was this guy.............


Why Isiah kind of things the same way of Lee is beyond me.Im willing to be bet that what ever team Lee is on in practice usually wins, that's the kind of player Lee is.

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Wasn't you saying David Lee shouldn't start in that other thread??? Saying Frye is better because of his jump shot??? I thought it was you.

[Edited by - anji on 01-20-2007 10:58 PM]

That's what you were refering to...Yeah I am that guy...Does every time DLee put up good numbers you going to show up with this...So where were you last game...DLee is very good and helps the team coming off the bench..What does it matter if he gets the same minutes no matter what...If it helps Curry that a PF is in there to strectch the defense why are you against that?..Are you not a Knick fan or just a David Lee fan....
Not a knick fan???DOes that Isiah isn't a knick fan when he finishs games with Lee instead of Frye??? Since having Frye on the floor helps curry so much. If David is the best Forward on the team he should start and get more then the usually 28 minutes he gets when Frye and JJ2 are here. Lee does more for the knicks and curry then have a jumpshot does for the team, so why are you against starting him???
I would say start him because the team has problems in the first quarter with energy and offensively the team is stagnate in the second Quarter. Kinda writes it self. Put the scorer with the second until and energy guy with the first.......

[Edited by - anji on 01-21-2007 12:01 PM]
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1/21/2007  12:03 PM
I love how some fans get ripped on here for not being Knick fans and being haters but when they all love someone like David Lee, everyone tells them to calm down and that's not that good. Makes alot of sense guys.
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1/21/2007  12:20 PM
Guys I Love Lee and his effort but who could he really stop at the SF position. He might outrebound his man but what good does that do if his man scores 30 every night? JJ starts because he can guard more than one position. He might suck on O but the whole point of bringing him here is because he DOES NOT need the ball to be effective. This David Lee for Prez stuff has go to stop. He is a very good up and coming player but he needs to work on his D. Did anybody notice that against SAC last week, they kept calling ISO plays against him?

[Edited by - kevlofton on 01-21-2007 12:21 PM]
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