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TMS
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1/18/2007  3:21 PM
if at the beginning of the season someone would have told you Nenad Krstic would be out for a big chunk of the season, you still wouldn't have expected the Nets to be well ahead of the Knicks in the standings w/a 3 some of Kidd, Vince & RJ? i find that very hard to believe.
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1/18/2007  3:23 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Rich:
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i'd be OK w/having Isiah coach this team next year, but i think we need someone else to take over the reigns as the everyday GM... Isiah can still give his input on the draft & scouting NBDL talent in that capacity w/o negatively affecting the salary cap over the long haul.

They would probably keep Grunwald.


i'm talking about a real GM who's in charge, not just a figurehead to take care of the administrative roles while Isiah coaches the team but still retains the authority to make trades.

Grunwald is Isiah's puppet. If and when Isiah goes they should get rid of all of his lackeys. Grunwald, Aguirre, Glymph and Suhr.
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1/18/2007  3:25 PM
Isiah finally seems to be steering this ship in the right direction. We seem to have a nice core of young players. I think he's a decent coach, at least one that the players seem to be giving it their all for, which is something that can't be said about our previous coaches. Draft-wise, I like his eye for talent. It's his trades, offseason acquisitions, that have been downright horrible. I'd give him another year. Hopefully he's learned from his mistakes. He made the mess, I'd like to see him finish cleaning it up.
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1/18/2007  3:27 PM
why Aguirre? he's done a great job working w/Eddy... if he deserves to be fired, then so does Herb.
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1/18/2007  3:29 PM
Posted by TMS:

why Aguirre? he's done a great job working w/Eddy... if he deserves to be fired, then so does Herb.

You choose to give credit to Aguirre, I don't.

People have been rushing to give credit to Aguirre for any Knick that makes a move in the post. I think that's overblown.
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1/18/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:

If he gets an extension I'm never posting here again because I will no longer be a Knicks fan.

well thats something to hope for
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1/18/2007  3:35 PM
so who do you give credit for other than the coach who's been teaching these guys how to play in the low post & the players themselves? or is the fact that Isiah hired this guy disqualify him from getting any praise at all for anything positive that happens on the court?
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1/18/2007  3:36 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by TMS:

i'd be OK w/having Isiah coach this team next year, but i think we need someone else to take over the reigns as the everyday GM... Isiah can still give his input on the draft & scouting NBDL talent in that capacity w/o negatively affecting the salary cap over the long haul.

They would probably keep Grunwald.


i'm talking about a real GM who's in charge, not just a figurehead to take care of the administrative roles while Isiah coaches the team but still retains the authority to make trades.

I agree, but we're talking about Dolan.
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1/18/2007  3:39 PM
I hate Isiah, really!

But.......

I go with Dolan on this one and wait until the end of the season.

I'd have to say the team is making progress, but its hard to gauge. Last year was a freak thing that its hard to use 23 wins as any kind of sane benchmark.

But THe team is playing hard. Wiz are a decent team and the Knicks played hard in that loss. TUrnovers were a bitch, but they did come back.

But the big one here is redoing the front office again and really any new face cannot really make huge changes in a short period of time.

I like the recent stability of roster and let the team come together as it has to some degree.

IF we continue to have a winning record down the stretch, then we can better evaluate. We implode, buh-bye.
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1/18/2007  3:54 PM
I think you have to start thinking of giving Isiah the extension. He's already made these players so much better as a unit and individually. Just because we started off really slow, which I may add was partly due to the lack of much development last year and having to start from scratch again this year. Still he eventually found his way with this team and has developed an identity for this team and as he stated from the start, he's helped them to come together as a team.

How can some of you ignore the CLEAR improvements that have been taking place? You say you want more proof, but it's gonna take some time. Take the Lakers who are actually in YEAR TWO of their process, meanwhile we had to start over with a new coach and system. Who knows where we'd be if we had at least set the foundation last year and could build from there.
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1/18/2007  4:06 PM
I was really disappointed with Aguire for 3 years but this year I do think he deserves some credit. My only question is what took so long
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/18/2007  4:27 PM
Aguire deserves no credit at all. Name a player on this team who has a consistent post game. Just because Curry is scoring closer to the basket and playing very effecient doesn't mean Aguire deserves any credit. Curry has been under a ton of pressure to deliver and I feel he's trying to address some of his defeciencies. I'd give more credit to Eddy via effort than anything Aguire has done. I'm sure he's given Eddy some pointers on positioning and using his body weight against his defenders but hey that should have been a given.

None of the frontcourt players know how to do these things consistently and effectively face up(a la Duncan, Sheed) none of them have good footwork(a la Kevin Mchale, Hakeem) none of them can hit the 10ft jumpshot turning away from their defender baseline(a la Patrick, K.G., Dirk) none of them have a hook shot(a la Kareem, Parish), none of them use the glass on their shot effectively facing up(a la Duncan, Sheed) none of them can step back and hit a shot 10-12ft(maybe Frye)(a la Barkley, K.G., J.O., Sheed, Dirk) Matter of fact I feel more comfortable watching Q in the post than any of the other frontcourt players and that's not a compliment to Aguire.

I mean what is Frye's, Curry's, Lee's unstoppable, patented, go to move? They have none.

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1/18/2007  4:28 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think you have to start thinking of giving Isiah the extension. He's already made these players so much better as a unit and individually. Just because we started off really slow, which I may add was partly due to the lack of much development last year and having to start from scratch again this year. Still he eventually found his way with this team and has developed an identity for this team and as he stated from the start, he's helped them to come together as a team.

How can some of you ignore the CLEAR improvements that have been taking place? You say you want more proof, but it's gonna take some time. Take the Lakers who are actually in YEAR TWO of their process, meanwhile we had to start over with a new coach and system. Who knows where we'd be if we had at least set the foundation last year and could build from there.

The Lakers won 45 games last year and should've beat Pheonix ion the playoffs in the west. They play and beat all the hard teams--they haev a chance tonight to beat SA and Dallas[which they beat last bweek back to back on the road. So lets not go there. We have a LOT of games that EASILY could've been L's. In the POOR east--shouldnt a good team make the playoffs? Shouldnt beating out Toronto be a bench mark at a minimum? Werent we supposed to be +500 last year?
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1/18/2007  5:00 PM
The Lakers have a top 5 player, arguably the best player in the league. They had the benefit of trading Shaquille O'neal, another top 5 player and getting Odom, a legit top 30 player and Butler who is becoming a top 30 player (who they then traded for Kwame Brown). They get some credit for slowing building a respectable squad around Kobe, but they haven't down much and are arguably wasting Kobe's prime.

The Knicks, when Thomas got here had what? Keith Van Horn as our best player? Who became a sixth man the minute he was traded away. When Thomas got here we were over the cap and had no legitimate NBA starters once Allan Houston went down. Could he have waited out the cap situation and slowly built the team through the draft? Yes, until you factor in that Dolan said in his introductory press conference that he had to make the playoffs immediately. So, three years later, he's acquired starts from playoff teams (QRich from the Suns, Curry from the Bulls, Jefferies from the Wizards) and done a nice job with the draft (Frye, Lee, Ariza, Robinson, Balkman, Collins) and made some bad moves, mostly through coaching decisions.

I don't understand how the Lakers situation is remotely comparable. We had no legit NBA starters when Thomas arrived and the Lakers had two of the top 5 players in the league at that time.

Three years later we have Curry, who is arguably a top 30 player in the league and David Lee who might also be there and QRich and Marbury who are both better than anyone the Knicks had before Thomas arrived. Additionally, we have young tradeable assets in Crawford, Robinson, Jefferies, Frye, Balkman who are all better than anything we had here past Kurt Thomas and KVH.

Have things worked out 100%? No. Have things improved? Yes. Do we have a style of play? Yes. Do we have a young roster with a chance for internal improvement? Yes.
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1/18/2007  5:52 PM
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Aguire deserves no credit at all. Name a player on this team who has a consistent post game. Just because Curry is scoring closer to the basket and playing very effecient doesn't mean Aguire deserves any credit. Curry has been under a ton of pressure to deliver and I feel he's trying to address some of his defeciencies. I'd give more credit to Eddy via effort than anything Aguire has done. I'm sure he's given Eddy some pointers on positioning and using his body weight against his defenders but hey that should have been a given.

None of the frontcourt players know how to do these things consistently and effectively face up(a la Duncan, Sheed) none of them have good footwork(a la Kevin Mchale, Hakeem) none of them can hit the 10ft jumpshot turning away from their defender baseline(a la Patrick, K.G., Dirk) none of them have a hook shot(a la Kareem, Parish), none of them use the glass on their shot effectively facing up(a la Duncan, Sheed) none of them can step back and hit a shot 10-12ft(maybe Frye)(a la Barkley, K.G., J.O., Sheed, Dirk) Matter of fact I feel more comfortable watching Q in the post than any of the other frontcourt players and that's not a compliment to Aguire.

I mean what is Frye's, Curry's, Lee's unstoppable, patented, go to move? They have none.

i find it absolutely hilarious that you expect a coach to turn the players we have into those superstar calibre players you just cited in the span of 3 seasons.

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1/18/2007  6:17 PM
Isola clearly has no credibility when he makes statements such as this:
Am I crazy to think that the Knicks could be the third best team in the East? I watch as many games as I can with the NBA League Pass and I’m not impressed by Orlando or Cleveland, which just lost back-to-back games to Seattle and Portland.

When healthy, Miami and Detroit are clearly the class of the conference. Maybe you have to put Chicago third. But assuming the Knicks make the playoffs, as long as they avoid playing the Pistons or the Heat in the first round, they will have a great opportunity to advance to the second round. As long as Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry stay injury-free.

I guess he forgot about Indiana, Washington, possibly Milwaukee(when healthy), NJ and Toronto who are playing some pretty good ball right now. Now Toronto may flame out but NJ is still going to be fighting for that Atlantic title and if they stay healthy I think anyone else would have a hard time challenging them for the Atlantic title.

Frank Isola should also keep in mind that if the Knicks were playing in any other division they would be 2nd to last or flat out in last place.
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1/18/2007  6:26 PM
Oh, Jesus Christ no.

Only Dolan...
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1/18/2007  6:40 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Aguire deserves no credit at all. Name a player on this team who has a consistent post game. Just because Curry is scoring closer to the basket and playing very effecient doesn't mean Aguire deserves any credit. Curry has been under a ton of pressure to deliver and I feel he's trying to address some of his defeciencies. I'd give more credit to Eddy via effort than anything Aguire has done. I'm sure he's given Eddy some pointers on positioning and using his body weight against his defenders but hey that should have been a given.

None of the frontcourt players know how to do these things consistently and effectively face up(a la Duncan, Sheed) none of them have good footwork(a la Kevin Mchale, Hakeem) none of them can hit the 10ft jumpshot turning away from their defender baseline(a la Patrick, K.G., Dirk) none of them have a hook shot(a la Kareem, Parish), none of them use the glass on their shot effectively facing up(a la Duncan, Sheed) none of them can step back and hit a shot 10-12ft(maybe Frye)(a la Barkley, K.G., J.O., Sheed, Dirk) Matter of fact I feel more comfortable watching Q in the post than any of the other frontcourt players and that's not a compliment to Aguire.

I mean what is Frye's, Curry's, Lee's unstoppable, patented, go to move? They have none.

i find it absolutely hilarious that you expect a coach to turn the players we have into those superstar calibre players you just cited in the span of 3 seasons.


Typical extreme translation of what was posted. I'm talking about show the consistency in developing any facet of those skills. Not becoming those players. Like I said no frontcourt player on this team has a legit go to move or skill set.
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1/18/2007  8:44 PM
i find it absolutely hilarious that you expect a coach to turn the players we have into those superstar calibre players you just cited in the span of 3 seasons.

Whats the magic number for some fans? When Isiah first came to NY the whole purpose for Isiah being brought to NY was to restore the franchise back to a legitimate playoff team and eventually a contender. He's been here for 3 seasons this team has yet to win single playoff game (in a very weak conference) there's no Jordan Bulls, Miller Pacers, "former" Zo Heat,. With the exception of the Detroit Pistons there hasn't been many franchises that has consistently contended for the Eastern Conference title. Yet were told to be patient Why? Isiah has done nothing to earn that sort of collateral. Why does Isiah get special rules because he's NY and this is a town of second, third, fourth, fifth changes?

Lets say hypothetically that the Knicks grant Isiah another extension and he spends another 3 seasons in NY the Knicks make the playoffs twice without any real success. Now you've just wasted literally an entire decade and why not for any worthy reasons oh because the owner has such an enomour ego that you cann't possibly admit that he was wrong and has been had by the biggest con man in Professional Sports?
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1/19/2007  9:59 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Typical extreme translation of what was posted. I'm talking about show the consistency in developing any facet of those skills. Not becoming those players. Like I said no frontcourt player on this team has a legit go to move or skill set.

hey, you're the one who was naming all these HOF calibre players on that list to make your point, not me.
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