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TMS
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1/18/2007  11:04 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by kam77:

Maybe the mistake was to double arenas there. He was not on fire due to the stifling double teams all game. And maybe they were expecting the double team. Instead we could've faked them out, gone with just Marbury on Arenas, let Agent 0 try and beat us when his shot has no rythym to it.

[Edited by - kam77 on 01-18-2007 10:55 AM]


Thats what i would've done. Arenas doesn't scare me the way a guy like Kobe or Wade would. I much rather have him take a contested 3 and watch it clank off the rim and be happy. Instead of watching JJ stand there like a clueless idiot

Arenas sank a 3 pointer to win the game just the other night when he put down 50... i think the right move was to double Arenas in that case... you have to execute & make sure you rotate when you need to rotate though.
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1/18/2007  11:08 AM
yea ur right all we had to do was rotate especially when we know the Wizards have other weapons like Jamison & Butler for Arenas to dish off to if he's doubled. What the hell is wrong with Jeffries UGHHHH
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1/18/2007  11:14 AM
Posted by TMS:

i agree w/u there as i've said in the past... he played alot more under control last year when he was asked to orchestrate more of the offense... that's why i keep wanting him to be given the reigns to be our starting PG... i just think he's a much more heady player when he's looking to get his teammates involved instead of struggling to get touches in the flow of the offense & then chucking up shots every time he touches it out of the 2G spot.

i don't think he's a starting point guard either. too many brain farts. he's a 6th man that can snipe and that's what he should be used at. we need a new starting sg, sf, and pf.
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1/18/2007  11:15 AM
2 guards combining to miss 22 out of 29 shots killed us.
Also we did not get to the line as much as we should. Our identity is in getting to the line and out rebounding the other team.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/18/2007  11:21 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Killa4luv:

5. Rebounding, we outrebounded them on paper, but in the game, they had some 2nd and 3rd chance oppurtunities that they really shouldn't have had in the 2nd half. That really costed us, imo. More than anything else. Rebounds killed us, even with the great D. Lee in there.

this is why I think our team rebounding numbers are not reliable... late in games, when guys don't or forget to block out, we lose games cause of missed rebounding opportunities.


rebounding late in games has cost us a couple of wins mostly because Curry is just standing around watching most of the time
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1/18/2007  11:29 AM
TMS how do you support this kid honestly, he is so careless and makes terrible decisions.....watch a game and see how many crawford shots start fast breaks for other teams....crawford took the shot made the shot, i don't care if there was time you get the basket....

The real problem, why are you double teaming arenas, he is shooting 4-14 is really off and didn't play well. Butler looked like carmelo out there and jamison was playing well. It's just bad coaching, if you want to double you don't do it right away especially so high up because there is going to be people rotating and there is going to be a nice look at the basket....

Curry is awful late in games guns couldn't agree more, we have lost a number of games because he is just dumb has no idea out there half the time when he doesn't have the ball.....
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1/18/2007  11:32 AM
And if you want to tell me i don't know anything, go ahead......

ISIAH HAS BEEN AWFUL LATE IN GAMES.........

Teams always get the basket to tie or win, and he never uses the foul to give or makes the right call, the crawford dribble the clock down and shoot the three is also brilliant play calling.....

The kid makes the big shot often, but when you are taking them your going to get your chance
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1/18/2007  12:00 PM
so you're killing Isiah's play calls when Jamal winds down the clock to 3 seconds & shoots up an off-balance 3 & misses them, & you're also killing Jamal for driving the ball into the lane with 12 seconds left & making the shot.

is there anything Jamal can EVER do that's RIGHT in your eyes? if he goes 20 for 21 but that 1 missed shot is the one that would have won the game, i have a feeling you'd still be blasting him for not passing the ball off to another open teammate, MS.
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1/18/2007  12:02 PM
We had 12 second chance points. The Wizards only had 9 second chance points
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/18/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by MS:

Curry is awful late in games guns couldn't agree more, we have lost a number of games because he is just dumb has no idea out there half the time when he doesn't have the ball.....


LOL Curry was 9points-4 rebounds and 1 assists in the 4th qtr. He missed 1 shot and nailed every ft.

He also wasnt even on the floor for either Butlers hoop nor Jamisons. He hardly was aweful late in that game.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/18/2007  12:16 PM
I never said anything, but you take the shot if you have it no matter how much time is on the clock if you were down by points you need the oppurtunity to get the rebound, it was a smart play by crawford.....

There was a zero percent chance he gets close on the heave, but who goes between the legs there.....thats nit picking

There is a difference between having a good fourth quarter and standing still in the final minute of the game, i never see the guy with his arms up at least creating havoc
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1/18/2007  12:20 PM
I agree, I have no problem with taking the shot if its there. Problem is we consistently give baskets right back in hopes of getting the ball back with time to win the game. I remember the days when we played great team D and actually got key stops 8 out of 10 times. Now its more like 2 out of 10

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-18-2007 12:24 PM]
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1/18/2007  12:24 PM
You take the shot early so you have a chance to rebound a miss or foul if the wizards get the ball. Nothing wrong with taking the shot at 12 seconds.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/18/2007  12:34 PM
no one said there was.....

TMS IF you can live with crawford be my guest, but a game breakdown

grizz-awful
hawks-awful
pacers-aweful
sa-awful

den-awesome
rockets-good
sa-good
cavs-good
was-awful
h-great
bob-great
h-good
minny-good
bob-awful
c-good
c-fair
den-nice
to-awful

m-awful

w-awful
mil-great
boston-awful
at-awful
indy-very good
de-awful
utah-awful

bob-great
bull-great
philly-good/ok
pis-good
suns-ok
clip-awful
sac-great
por-great
se-good
six-awful
bob-bad

sac-ok
was-bad

Thats 16 games he has really hurt the team out of the season, which is what you are going to get for his entire career
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1/18/2007  12:41 PM
& in the other 19 games according to your ratings, he's either been good - awesome... i'll take that for a player who's still not yet reached his peak... what Jamal needs is some tough coaching that will force him to play the way he was under LB & put him into a position where he'll be looked upon to be more of the orchestrator rather than a haphazard shooter, as i've said time & time again.

if you ever watched John Starks play in his day, he'd give you games where you wanted to pull your hair out too, & also games where he'd come through in the clutch & hit the big shot even when he'd play like crap the rest of the game... he was by far my favorite Knick of alltime... i am developing the same type of affinity for Jamal (obviously not yet on Starks level because this team hasn't been through the postseason wars as of yet).
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1/18/2007  12:51 PM
If you are playing defense like john starks you can get a pass........you can't be awful on both ends of the floor
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1/18/2007  12:56 PM
there were times when Starks was awful on both ends of the floor too... he'd collect boneheaded technicals for head butting a player, or arguing w/the refs, & spend a big chunk of the game on the bench... what good was he to the team then? that didn't make he hate him though... i still loved his intensity & knew there'd be games where he'd show how good of a player he really was... it was just a question of maturity... w/Jamal, i love the kid's attitude... he's very coachable, he's humble, he's well liked by his teammates... i don't have those concerns over his maturity... i just think he needs the right coaching to mold him into the player i know he can be.
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1/18/2007  1:18 PM
Jamal is erratic, inconsistent, maddening and makes you want to kill him. But he's not a bad guy. He'd be willing to listen if he was coached. I have no problem with the guy. He just needs to be taught.
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1/18/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Jamal is erratic, inconsistent, maddening and makes you want to kill him. But he's not a bad guy. He'd be willing to listen if he was coached. I have no problem with the guy. He just needs to be taught.

So basically its not his fault its the coaches fault. Interesting take from you of all people.
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1/18/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bippity10:

Jamal is erratic, inconsistent, maddening and makes you want to kill him. But he's not a bad guy. He'd be willing to listen if he was coached. I have no problem with the guy. He just needs to be taught.

So basically its not his fault its the coaches fault. Interesting take from you of all people.

Well that excuse has worked for Marbury all these years.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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