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hey, is jerry krause a better drafter than isiah?
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SlimPack
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1/13/2007  10:40 PM
i think isiah's better overall. krause made some crap moves. like taking marcus fizer at no. 4. and plus he drafted a bunch of nobodies in the late first and second rounds. even in the late first and second rounds, isiah was able to get guys like balkman, lee, and ariza.

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1/13/2007  10:43 PM
honestly, other than elton brand (he had the #1 pick in a pretty good draft), ron artest (good pick), and signing brad miller, he didn't have any great picks. The rest of the players were pretty much busts except Curry 5 years later seems to finally be coming into his own. Not a bad drafter, but I wouldn't say he's an especially good one either - granted, 2000 through 2002 drafts were particularly weak. I'd say isiah's picks (mcgrady out of high school, when he wasn't very hyped up), david lee, camby, and damon stoudamire were better overall than krause's drafts.

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1/13/2007  11:56 PM
You have to put down that HE drafted chandler. He traded brand for the pick so could draft chandler.
And isiah is far beter drafter in his picks considering where isiah picked them. Isiah doesn't get such high picks.

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1/14/2007  2:12 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

his draft list includes:

99 draft: elton brand(1), ron artest(16), micheal ruffin(32),lari ketner(49)

00 draft: marcus fizer(4), chris mihm(7), dalibor bagaric(24), aj guyton(32), jake voskuhl(33), khalid el-amin(34)
traded chris mihm to the cavs for jamal crawford
signed undrafted brad miller

01 draft: eddy curry(4), trenton hassell(30), sean lampley(45)
traded elton brand to the clippers for brian skinner and tyson chandler

02 draft: jay williams(2), roger mason(31), lonny baxter(44)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-13-2007 6:11 PM]

only guys he drafted worth anything were Brand, Artest, Curry, and Jay williams.

Brand was the consensus #1 and Jay williams was the consensus #2 when he picked them both. Its hard to argue he has an eye for talent by choosing those players, they were no-brainers and anyone in his shoes would have picked them.

Artest & Curry I give him credit for, but thats 2 players out of many picks, I don't see anything special or any kind of lasting consistancy in good picks by him. Certainly not better than IT.
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1/14/2007  2:44 AM
Sorry, but NO CREDIT when you draft guys #1, #2, #4 etc.... those picks are no-brainers. Anyone could have taken Brand or Curry just by llooking at mock drafts. and he only got artest because we were such idiots to take Weis. This is a horrible comparison DJ... Isiah's mastery comes from finding GEMS that aren't chalkboard top 5 choices. Yet another post that seems tilted towards negging our GM.
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1/14/2007  5:46 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

Half those guys are busts and everyone he trades becomes an all-star somewhere else.

He traded away twice what he need the most now: Low post scoring: Curry/Brand.

And he traded rebounding, might as well have kept Chandler.

oohah

didn't ask if he was a good GM or a good trader.

asked about his drafting expertise. i guess if we get a new GM, getting krause as a draft scout wouldn't be that bad an idea.

his worst draft was 2000 - but that was the worst draft possibly in nba history. the players available where he picked are nothing to write home about.

Okay, then as a drafter, he is certainly not as good as Isiah, and as a trader he is certainly worse than Isiah. Other guys have pointed out why he isn't such a good drafter, and if Isiah had traded Brand, Artest, and Miller he would have been rightfully banned from New York. If not for LB the Curry trade would have been a huge loser for Krause as well.

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1/14/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by kam77:

Sorry, but NO CREDIT when you draft guys #1, #2, #4 etc.... those picks are no-brainers. Anyone could have taken Brand or Curry just by llooking at mock drafts. and he only got artest because we were such idiots to take Weis. This is a horrible comparison DJ... Isiah's mastery comes from finding GEMS that aren't chalkboard top 5 choices. Yet another post that seems tilted towards negging our GM.

i said above that this probably wasn't the best way to pose the question. it should've said, "should krause be considered a draft scout for us if isiah gets canned?"
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1/14/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by oohah:

Okay, then as a drafter, he is certainly not as good as Isiah, and as a trader he is certainly worse than Isiah. Other guys have pointed out why he isn't such a good drafter, and if Isiah had traded Brand, Artest, and Miller he would have been rightfully banned from New York. If not for LB the Curry trade would have been a huge loser for Krause as well.

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1/14/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


i said above that this probably wasn't the best way to pose the question. it should've said, "should krause be considered a draft scout for us if isiah gets canned?"

not really. we'd probably be better of just sticking with brendan suhr.
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1/14/2007  4:15 PM
Um, not sure why this has been left out but Krause was the architect of arguably the best dynasty in the NBA, the Bulls (6 titles in 8 years).

Among the better players he drafted BACK THEN were a guy named Scottie Pippen, I believe Horace Grant and Charles Oakley as well.

Also, according to Charles Halberstam in the book Playing for Keeps, Krause wanted to draft John Stockton but he was snatched up a few picks before the Bulls.

Considering Isiah has never coached/GM'd a team past the first round of the playoffs and Krause won 6 rings, I'd say Krause gets a slight nod.
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1/14/2007  7:13 PM
Unless Krause is about to become the Knicks next GM why is any of this important? Are you really interested to know? Or is this thread just another way to diss Isiah?
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1/14/2007  7:26 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Um, not sure why this has been left out but Krause was the architect of arguably the best dynasty in the NBA, the Bulls (6 titles in 8 years).

Among the better players he drafted BACK THEN were a guy named Scottie Pippen, I believe Horace Grant and Charles Oakley as well.

Also, according to Charles Halberstam in the book Playing for Keeps, Krause wanted to draft John Stockton but he was snatched up a few picks before the Bulls.

Considering Isiah has never coached/GM'd a team past the first round of the playoffs and Krause won 6 rings, I'd say Krause gets a slight nod.

Ive always thought Krause was better than he got credit for but he doesnt win 1 ring nevermind 6 without Jordan who he did not draft!
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/14/2007  8:37 PM
fair enough sugar ray, but he put all those pieces around MJ.

that halberstam book i mentioned (playing for keeps) is an awesome account of MJ's career with the bulls and has some first hand accounts of MJ/krause/zen master all battling for who should get the most credit, obviously MJ deserves the bulk of it but without the triangle or krause, who knows...

i recommend it for anyone who wants to learn more about those MJ bulls though, fantastic book.
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1/14/2007  10:12 PM
I think Phil and Jerry did a hell of a job. Jordan and pippen were the only stars. The rest were very good role players.

To sustain 6 rings in 8 years with no high picks takes a hell of a GM.

Isiah has don't spit and all the while taking the salary to stratispheric levels!

Post Jordan, the guy made one bone head move, thats trading Brand. Artest was and is an idiot. Miller hit his stride after he left bulls. Im not saying he did a bang up job, but his 6 rings speak more than Crawfiz and company. Too much youth at one time and all the while there were no clear franchise players to pick up as the high school kids were over valued! Too bad he did not have an oden or lebron to pick from.
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