Posted by babyKnicks:

is that when the trade happened? or was that just a rumor?

Posted by oohah:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by babyKnicks:

is that when the trade happened? or was that just a rumor?

This was a trade reported on the air on TNT when Lenny was the coach. I remember they said it was just about done. This was NOT a rumour. TNT reported it as a trade that was immenint at the time.

Then it would have happened Joe. Maybe there was a trade in the works, maybe not. But that rumor doesn't prove anything.

oohah

So you discount this a rumour, but all of a sudden, we acquire him with the same GM and it's all on the coach?

That's a nice double standard you got there, I wonder where I can get a pair.

I am quoting a TV source citing the exact game they reported it on. If you want contact TNT and ask for the tapes. I did all I am gonna do.

The point I am trying to make is Zeke targeted Jalen before. Which this proves.

Posted by simrud:

Anji are you retarded? Brown never hated Curry. He started in every one of his lineups.

And w/out hating Curry your whole argument is marginal. You can make Curry's name as bold as you like in your posts, but it is not going to make what say any more right.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by oohah:

Posted by joec32033:

It was reported during this game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/preview?gid=2005011310

And the report was wrong. Remember the Ewing is traded report that was untrue?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 12-01-2007 6:10 PM]

So you are believing that Larry wanted Jalen and begged for him is a fact because why? Dolan said so?

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by oohah:

Posted by joec32033:

It was reported during this game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/preview?gid=2005011310

And the report was wrong. Remember the Ewing is traded report that was untrue?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 12-01-2007 6:10 PM]

I didn't say the trade happened. I said-and I'll repeat this again-this is SUBSTANTIATED proof Isiah at least wanted'tried/attepmted to acquire Jalen-or at the very least targeted Jalen before Larry got here.

Do you realize that Isiah-reportedly- wanted to trade an expiring contract(Penny) for Jalen in that trade and the trade we actually got him in was an expiring contract(Antonio) for Jalen?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01-12-2007 6:14 PM]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01-12-2007 6:17 PM]

Posted by oohah:

Posted by nyk4ever:

This is like when Carl Everett said he doesn't believe in dinosaurs because he never saw one.

Or like when everybody said that Brown didn't want Francis in/Ariza out.

oohah

Oohah...I'm gonna try to respond to all the posts here for the sake of keeping one train of thought...

I believe it and I think Brown said he wanted J. Rose himself.

He said he wanted Francis. I don't remember if he said it about Rose. I will say this though, do I believe it is totally impossible that Larry wanted Rose? No. If for no other reason-because he didn't trust Marbury and wanted a distributer.
Here is a quote:
"He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958

Once again, need for someone out there to run the offense. There is a difference between believing that LB AND Isiah may have wanted Rose and believing that Larry "forced" Isiah to trade for him. You, it seems, want to exonerate Isiah from these trades by blaming Larry. Well, at the very least-in this particular instance, Isiah chased this guy before. There is no DOUBT in my mind that at the absolute very least bringing in Rose was a team effort between Isiah and Brown. A team effort that shouldn't be just brushed off on the guy that got fired so Dolan can sell the guy he effectively demoted because he went through so many coaches.

I'll believe it when one of the parties who actually can make the trade say so.

It's like if everybody reports that Webber is going to the Knicks or Orlando or wherever. Unless the teams that are reported to want him cop to it, who knows what to believe? Maybe they had interest, maybe not, maybe they did or didn't because of a myriad of factors.

I've heard of teams starting trade rumors just to get talks started.

Oohah, I've heard enough trade rumours to know what a rumour is. TNT is an NBA partner, an unbiased 3rd party, and a major network. The article I printed is the only proof I can find other than myself actually remembering watching the report. TNT spent some major time on this report and were talking as if the trade could have been a reality. But that being said, I am not arguing if the trade did or did not happen. This is substantiated proof that Isiah did target Rose at one point before Larry Brown got here. Once again-at the very least a team decision between LB and Isiah.

All I am using this for is as a reference point that yes, Isiah did talk about Rose at one point. He did have at least one conversation about Rose. Knowing this information, is it fair to continue to blame just Larry?

Or like when everybody said that Brown didn't want Francis in/Ariza out.

Larry thought Ariza was an idiot and thought by getting Francis it would make it easier to get rid of Steph. Larry very well could have been the driving force behind this trade. But once again, Larry was a driving force behind wanting Eric Snow and Theo Ratliff. Isiah didn't cave to them even though these are guys Larry was reportedly openly pined for. That tells me Isiah could say no to Larry. At the very least, Isiah signed off on the Francis trade. He does not just escape all culpability.

Posted by nykshaknbake:

Amazing...

So if anything goes wrong it's Isiah's fault only and when things are going right it was only because LB was leading the way? If I remeber right the list included MArbury AND Francis, and basically about over half the other team. So Marbury and Nate are staying but we got rid of Rose and Taylor and somehow you force this into being following LB's plan to a T? I think with this standard if you chucked any three players at randomn we would be stealing LBs strategy.

LB was fired for two reasons:
He did a terrible job:leading(and a coach is supposed to be a leader and motivator) the team to 23 wins and creating an unprecedented amount of disharmony

He directly disobeyed the orders of his two bosses. Whether you like them or not they were his superioirs in this case. You can't flip your boss off and expect to keep your job. I don't see how just because his name is Larry Brown it is unjustified to fore him because he does it.