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SugarRayRichardson
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1/12/2007  12:31 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I read it and I noticed I was not the only one that came to the same conclusion. :)

An while those other people responded with valid points which were conceded by Solace, you in turn chose to accuse someone you don't even know of having a hidden agenda. Thats the difference.

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1/12/2007  1:51 PM
Thanks, Andrew.

Would anyone else like to respond to the topic? I think there's some interesting evidence that might back up something similar to what franco was saying. It does seem that Frye and Curry might not be a good combo, but Curry plays well when Lee is in the game. If you go that route, then maybe you go back to questioning why Frye was drafted and maybe that's Isiah's big mistake, when maybe a young stud like Bynum would've been great and invalidated any need for Curry... or, as a nice compliment to Curry.
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1/12/2007  1:57 PM
i think it makes a good case for Isiah putting D Lee back into the starting lineup where he belongs.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-12-2007 1:57 PM]
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1/12/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think it makes a good case for Isiah putting D Lee back into the starting lineup where he belongs.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-12-2007 1:57 PM]

Lee's roland rating is sick: +8.5. Frye is: -8.6. That's a difference of +17.1 in Lee's favor. I think there's no doubt that Lee has well surpassed Frye as earning the starting role.
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1/12/2007  2:01 PM
Posted by Solace:

I actually still say that Curry is a keeper. An interesting development of this discussion is that it's pointing more towards Frye being the major problem. Hmmm...

i agree... Curry's a keeper & we need to figure out what to do w/Frye, because clearly D Lee is the one who deserves to be starting at the 4... we need a shotblocker to round out the rotation.
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1/12/2007  2:03 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:

I actually still say that Curry is a keeper. An interesting development of this discussion is that it's pointing more towards Frye being the major problem. Hmmm...

i agree... Curry's a keeper & we need to figure out what to do w/Frye, because clearly D Lee is the one who deserves to be starting at the 4... we need a shotblocker to round out the rotation.

I agree. If we were to say Curry, Lee, Balkman, Crawford, Richardson, Francis (+1.5 roland) and Cato were keepers, we could use the other pieces to try to fill in the gaps like a shot blocker, a shooter and a legit star.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 12 2007 2:04 PM]
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1/12/2007  2:20 PM

I know this is a stats discussion so maybe you should start Lee and Curry on your fantasy team where numbers are the only important thing...On the real team however Frye should start...He brings more to the team and game..Am I ready to take on a league featuring Duncan, KG, Nowitzki, Oneil, Weed, Bosh, etc and run DLee out there against them...All those guys score at a ferocious pace...Lee just doesn't give you that offensively or defensively for that matter...He is a great rebounder that has to do more things to help the team...
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1/12/2007  2:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I know this is a stats discussion so maybe you should start Lee and Curry on your fantasy team where numbers are the only important thing...On the real team however Frye should start...He brings more to the team and game..Am I ready to take on a league featuring Duncan, KG, Nowitzki, Oneil, Weed, Bosh, etc and run DLee out there against them...All those guys score at a ferocious pace...Lee just doesn't give you that offensively or defensively for that matter...He is a great rebounder that has to do more things to help the team...

What does Frye do to help the team? Is there any area, aside from shooting jumpers, that he's significantly better than Lee?

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1/12/2007  2:38 PM
Posted by Solace:

I agree. If we were to say Curry, Lee, Balkman, Crawford, Richardson, Francis (+1.5 roland) and Cato were keepers, we could use the other pieces to try to fill in the gaps like a shot blocker, a shooter and a legit star.

funny thing is w/o even looking at stat figures, those are exactly the players that i would like to keep on this roster (w/the exception of Francis, who i don't think has a real future here)

fill in a shotblocker, shooter & defensive PG to that equation & i think we will have a foundation for a legitimate contending team on our hands... whether or not 1 of those guys grow into a legit star, or we can get 1 via trade or draft in later years, that's at least a viable plan to build this team going forward... i'm tired of the "let's throw this against the wall & see if it sticks" plan.
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1/12/2007  2:43 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:

I agree. If we were to say Curry, Lee, Balkman, Crawford, Richardson, Francis (+1.5 roland) and Cato were keepers, we could use the other pieces to try to fill in the gaps like a shot blocker, a shooter and a legit star.

funny thing is w/o even looking at stat figures, those are exactly the players that i would like to keep on this roster (w/the exception of Francis, who i don't think has a real future here)

fill in a shotblocker, shooter & defensive PG to that equation & i think we will have a foundation for a legitimate contending team on our hands... whether or not 1 of those guys grow into a legit star, or we can get 1 via trade or draft in later years, that's at least a viable plan to build this team going forward... i'm tired of the "let's throw this against the wall & see if it sticks" plan.

Absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly like that. As I think about it becomes clearer which pieces are necessary for this team's success. Unfortunately I don't think Marbury is part of that. He needs to go. Badly. I still want Ray Allen. He's about the same age as Marbs (maybe a year older) and fills a much bigger need. I wouldn't mind packaging Frye, and even, Nate, in that trade, to get Ray Allen. Then sign Webber, trade for a shotblocker like Etan Thomas, and find a distributing, defensive PG (Mardy Collins) could be that guy, and I'd feel real good about this team.

As Bip said years ago, and still preaches today: "balance the roster". You really can't have success until you balance the roster.
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1/12/2007  2:54 PM
82games.com's positional breakdowns are not dependable-- at least not for our frontcourt. They designate Frye as the center when he plays with Curry. They have Curry playing 40% of our center minutes and 27% of our PF minutes, when in actuality Curry plays more like 70% of our center minutes (all of his 33.5mpg come at center) and 0% PF minutes. So throw those stats out the window.

As for the other comparisons, a couple of things. One, they are not adjusted for minutes played and pace. Two, arguably Curry got off to a really terrible start this season but has been playing well now, consistently, for a while. If Curry's early season struggles turn out to be a fluke compared to his newfound consistency, then his current stats will have been heavily skewed in the negative direction. Basically, the Curry we have been seeing the past month or two is better than Curry's entire season stats.
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1/12/2007  2:58 PM
and don't forget to take into account that 1/2 the #'s on there are totally made up.
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1/12/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by tomverve:

82games.com's positional breakdowns are not dependable-- at least not for our frontcourt. They designate Frye as the center when he plays with Curry. They have Curry playing 40% of our center minutes and 27% of our PF minutes, when in actuality Curry plays more like 70% of our center minutes (all of his 33.5mpg come at center) and 0% PF minutes. So throw those stats out the window.

As for the other comparisons, a couple of things. One, they are not adjusted for minutes played and pace. Two, arguably Curry got off to a really terrible start this season but has been playing well now, consistently, for a while. If Curry's early season struggles turn out to be a fluke compared to his newfound consistency, then his current stats will have been heavily skewed in the negative direction. Basically, the Curry we have been seeing the past month or two is better than Curry's entire season stats.

Sure. All valid points. Regarding the stats, you're correct. I was able to surmise, logically, (I think), that Curry's PF numbers were playing next to Frye and his center numbers were playing next to Lee or Malik. If you can make this assumption, you can get an idea of where Curry places, and how well he plays with Frye vs. Lee. Anyway, I was taking the season as a whole, because I don't like using small sample sizes as the rule, but certainly if Curry keeps his play at this level for a whole season, you'd have to take that into consideration, and the stats will reflect that, moving forward.
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Posted by djsunyc:

and don't forget to take into account that 1/2 the #'s on there are totally made up.

Hmm? Explain.
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1/12/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:


I know this is a stats discussion so maybe you should start Lee and Curry on your fantasy team where numbers are the only important thing...On the real team however Frye should start...He brings more to the team and game..Am I ready to take on a league featuring Duncan, KG, Nowitzki, Oneil, Weed, Bosh, etc and run DLee out there against them...All those guys score at a ferocious pace...Lee just doesn't give you that offensively or defensively for that matter...He is a great rebounder that has to do more things to help the team...

What does Frye do to help the team? Is there any area, aside from shooting jumpers, that he's significantly better than Lee?

I think we have been down this road already...He is a better shooter so he stretches the defense which helps Curry...Lee and any other forward who is offensively challenged like JJ and Balkman limits us tremendously...The double Curry and neither forward can help us on the offensive end of the court....Curry and Lee are a terrible defensive duo...I'm not saying Frye is great but he is better on the interior than Lee is at this time...Lee is a very good player but his game is limited right now...Running him out there against the better forwards in the league is not helping this team in any manner...Lee does need lots of playing time to improve as does Frye...But he isn't a guy who will help us right now as a starter...
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1/12/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by Solace:
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Every statistic you can find points to the conclusion that Eddy's strengths and weaknesses roughly cancel each other out. That's just one more to the long stack of evidence.

They do pretty much cancel out. His roland rating is a +0.3, which is slightly in his favor, but nothing that heavy.
And that doesn't make him a bad player by any means--just more of a neutral player who's far from all-star status or any status to get me too excited.

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1/12/2007  4:24 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:

I agree. If we were to say Curry, Lee, Balkman, Crawford, Richardson, Francis (+1.5 roland) and Cato were keepers, we could use the other pieces to try to fill in the gaps like a shot blocker, a shooter and a legit star.

funny thing is w/o even looking at stat figures, those are exactly the players that i would like to keep on this roster (w/the exception of Francis, who i don't think has a real future here)

fill in a shotblocker, shooter & defensive PG to that equation & i think we will have a foundation for a legitimate contending team on our hands... whether or not 1 of those guys grow into a legit star, or we can get 1 via trade or draft in later years, that's at least a viable plan to build this team going forward... i'm tired of the "let's throw this against the wall & see if it sticks" plan.

Absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly like that. As I think about it becomes clearer which pieces are necessary for this team's success. Unfortunately I don't think Marbury is part of that. He needs to go. Badly. I still want Ray Allen. He's about the same age as Marbs (maybe a year older) and fills a much bigger need. I wouldn't mind packaging Frye, and even, Nate, in that trade, to get Ray Allen. Then sign Webber, trade for a shotblocker like Etan Thomas, and find a distributing, defensive PG (Mardy Collins) could be that guy, and I'd feel real good about this team.

As Bip said years ago, and still preaches today: "balance the roster". You really can't have success until you balance the roster.


Solace- you make a lot of good points, but do you really want to trade ro Allen. I think Ray Allens game is taylor made to thirve next to a penetrating and kick like point in Marbs and a beast in the paint that is gonna draw doubles in Curry. The problem is, Allen is gonna be 32 in the summer. Including Frye and Nate in a trade for Allen, confuses the new Knicks slogan of building with youth. Especially if your talking about adding Webber as well. I would perfer to get a young Ray Allen type which is easier said then done.

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1/12/2007  5:07 PM
How about Rashard Lewis instead of Ray Allen.
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1/12/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by Solace:

For point of comparison, how about Raef LaFrentz when he was on Denver when he was about 24/25?

14.4 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.2 asts, 3.0 blk, 3.4 pf, 0.6 stl, 1.2 TO, 67% FT, 47% FG, 43.5% 3p

I actually think those stats are better than Curry's are now.

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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by kam77:

"Those stats show that while Eddy's offense has been great, he's actually allowed opposing centers (who generally aren't great scorers) to have just a nudge better than equal success against him. That's something to consider."

Hold up, that statistic takes into account the Center position, not just Eddy Curry who plays 32 minutes a game. I could be wrong becuase i haen't reseasched it, but what if the -.2 is due to negative play from other guys playing Center?


Its actually pretty disingenious. If he was looking at 82games.com he completly ignored the truth via Curry and his opposition on the first page to go to the position page for centers. Currys per is 18.6. His Opposition is 17.1. What jerome James or Malik rose do playing center has nothing to do with Curry.
Pretty sad when people will flat out ignore the truth to reach for something that points in the opposite direction.

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